Wow, I haven't been here for a long time, and found this great thread.

I SO love the contrast - between hard and soft, between muscle and fat, between very fit and out of shape. Well, even if I was myself out of shape, I'd enormously prefer a fat, quiveringly soft lover whom I would pamper and spoil - but I try to accentuate it by getting lean and hard myself. And when I'm training I like to think "I'm doing it for HER - I'm killing myself training for her, while she avoids all forms of exercise." It helps me get a few more reps .

Thanks to the 'Net - I'd believed that fat people mainly liked to date fat people and that women who didn't work out didn't care for guys who did. I'm beginning to feel hope now.