(Continuation of two preceding posting

The extreme obesity motif highly strengthens this "lazyness and selfindulgence fetish", but doesnt create it.

I often wonder, why now this fetish can be seen usually only in combination with dirtyness and filth fetish? After all the centuries when these things could exidt quite separately?

(continuation of previous post) I often wonder why these two components almost always go together in modern slob fetish, and why in frames of FAdmiration they are so closely connected to idea of extreme obesity which makes it very difficult or even impossible to take care about oneself.

I dont want to say anything against such a combination of fetishes, I just want to emphasize that it is namely a combination, and its components can exist and really existed as independent things.

For many centuries in Western and Eastern cultures there was a subculture, or fetish, or practice (call it with any word one wants), which can be named, may be in a paradoxal way, a "sweet-smeling slobbyness", or "an utterly lazy slobbyness, which is hygienic and sweet-smelling due to ful pampering". Its the most hedonistic version of "slobbyness". This included component (1) of modern slob fetish, but not its component (2). The heroines were as lazy and self- indulgent as in examples given above, but there were no consequences of type (2), because these heroines didnt want such consequences and received enough pampering and care to avoud them.

The heroine of such tales and real practics gives herself full freedom to fart, but she doesnt want to feel without neccessity an unpleasant smell, and doesnt want her lover etc. to feel it, so bad smelling is neutralized and eliminated by incenses, oils, perfumes and other aromatizers and bad-smell-killers

She eats messily, but maids, relatives or lover , or they all, take care of her during her meals, wipe and clean her face etc., as for a baby, so she is messing herself with food while eating, but doesnt remain messy

When feeling natural needs, she can go just on the spot onto the nappies / pads, just to avoid efforts and discomforts of standing up and walking and holding herself, - but she is helped with this and she is immediately fully cleaned by her "team of helpers", and unpleasant smells are neutralized in course of her going and being cleaned in the same way, as was told above, so she doesnt remain soiled, and her place doesnt remain dirty.

She sweats abundantly snd doesnt bother to clean herself, and the smell of her sweat is taken as good; but she has no unpleasant and foul body odor because she is bathed and wiped by her "helping team".

Her room and clothes are clean, because other people take full care of it.

She is lazy and therefore messy, because she spoils herself so much, but she is clean (and appreciates and wants it) because other people spoil her too. Her natural body life, from sweating to farting and relieving herself, is takenas nice and eroticized, so her body is fully free, but she is liberated from dirtyness component , without any her own effortsand bothering herself, because other people take care of her in this respect, to her own pkeasure and by her own hedonistic desire, not for some social discipline.

I think that dirty/messy slob fetish is partly an attempt to revolt against pressure of outer world. "Ladies, you must be slim, you must eliminate hair from your body, you must not fart, you must be clean , you must not snell with sweat, you must not show your body in its natural condition, you must smell only with perfumes , and spend many efforts to achieve all of this" - the society commands. And it causes somehow a desire to reject all the complex at once - it causes an image of combined bodily freedom to have hair on body, to be fat and to be dirty etc).

But in times of old natural body was not rejected and the idea of bodily freedom and utter lazyness was not so much combined with bad smelling, absense of hygiene and food stains on one's face.

Moreover, this " utter lazyness" was not tied specifically with only extreme obesity. Though hedonistic ideas almost always were connected with plumpness ( jusr because people like food), the "lazyness - slobbyness " in tge sense discussed was not determined by huge weight which makes it very physically difficult to mantain one clean by his/ her iwn efforts. It was determined just by overspoilnment and selfiindulgence, possible at any weight.

On some erotic miniatures we can see a girl, not more than a chubby, who deliberately relieves herself from her front and behind just while lying at some rich feast where she has luxurious meals. It is presumed, of course, that she will be cleaned immediately. She is not of such weight that would make it diffucult for her togo to the toilet, she js just so lazy and self indulgent. Nothing filthy is depicted.

On some european pieces of art men help their women with toilet and wipe their bottoms, not because its difficult for them to do it themselves. And it has nothing in common with femdom or toilet slavery, its presented as deliberate pampering of princess by her true knight (who well can remain a leading part of the couple), not a humiliating service of a slave to his domina. And nothing filtny is depicted here, too.

It seems to me that the modern "slob fetish" unites two rather different things:

1) hedonistic lazyness, full self- indulgence for any bodily needs and comfort = utter bodily hedonism, full freedom of satisfaction of any bodily needs ; avoiding efforts and self- compelling to do snything

2) dirtyness, being filthy, messy, smelling bad. This second part is presented as natural consequence of the first. But in fact its two rather independent fetishes.

In slob stories i've read, the herone farts without hesitation, because she just wants to relieve the pressure and to let full freedom to her body. Its about (1). But it is emphasized the bad smelling of her farts, the word "stinking" is used often. Its about (2).

She sweats abundantly from activitirs because of her plumpness, and she doesnt shower herself because she is so lazy and dont want to bother with any efforts. Its about (1). But the bad body odor is emphasized as the result. Its about (2)

She eats with passion and thatswhy she eats quite messily, because she is so devoted just to satisfation of her desire for food, not with the manners of clean eating , its about (1). As tge result she is depicted as a person with messy and greasy hands and face, with stains of food on tge skin snd clothing, etc. Its about (2).

She doesnt clean her room because she is lazy and avoids this work, its about (1). As the result the room is dirty and has bad smells in it, its about (2).

Sometimes its depicted how she relieves herself just on the spot, on tbe nappies / pads under herself, just not to bother with standing up , walking onto the toilet and holding all inside while she movrs herself there. Or it is stated that she doesnt wipe after her numbers 1 and 2, just because its a laborious thing for her, and she is so lazy. Its all about (1). But it is given too, that as the result she remains soiled and messy in her nether parts, her panties are dirty and smelling with her excretions etc. Its about (2).

The list of examples could be continued, but i wonder (see next post)

I got to learn that this thing was well known in many societies if old. For many centuries Western European medieval and early modern sources mention couples which, due to obesity if both partners or one partner, could not perform sex with penetration either in some poses (missionary first of all) ir even in any pose. The church authorities mentioned the first of this situations ( when missionary sex is fully impossible due to fatness of one or both partners) as only excuse for using of other positions (they were prohibited by the church in general), and there were discussions what is worse from the church point of view in such cases when missionary position was impossible due to fatness - to use another position or to abstain of any sexual consummation of married life at all (oral and hand sex were prohibited as sins at any case). There were also discussions if it is permissible to use help of other people in conjugal sex when its difficult or impossible without help due to obesity of both or one partner

Some byzantine texts express moral reproaches to such families, that, when seeing that their children grow rapidly too fat and soon would be too fat for penetrative sex, dont try to stop it snd to return these young offsprings to modest life, but just try to marry them as quickly as possible, so that at the very moment of marriage they would be still able to consummate it with penetrative sex, in any position and even with any help, and these families arei fully indifferent to the further possibilities of the couple, they care only for the fact that the brides would be able for penetrative sex just after marriage, to consummate it.

Some variants of Tale of beautiful slavegirls in Arabian Nights states, thst one of the beauties (a Fat one) is so fat that she cant be penetrated at all by any partner in any pose. And still she is sexually attractive. In other variants it is said that it is very difficult but still possible to penetrate her.

It is interesting that in one of medieval tradition of Middle East four levels of this kind were distinguished:

a ) when a person cant waddle on her legs without help, but can arise and stand up for a moment by herself, and well can move on her fours and crawl for short distances;

b ) when a person cant walk even with help, cant arise and stand up without help, but can arise and stand up for a moment with help, and can move on her fours without help though with much efforts:

c) when a person can't neither walk, nor arise and stand up even with help, but still can get on her fours and move on her fours, though prefers to receive help even with this, or stops for a rest after several movements on her fours.

d) when a woman can't even get on her fours and move on her fours or crawl, and she is able only to turn from side to side on the spot, and needs or prefers help even with this.

In formulas of " seven stages of fat beauty" the (c) stage was usually omitted.

It is told by several sources that Abda, the wife of caliph Hisham of 8th century, was so fat that she belonged to ( b ) level, namely she could stand up and make several steps only with assistance if 2, 3 or 4 maids, but could get up on her fours by herself, though with efforts.

Many wives of nobles and kings Great Lakes region in Africa werecso large tgat they on their could only crawl , but not stand up even with help, it is (c) level y Middle East classification.

Byzantine sources mention people so fat that they could move only "as seals, on their bellies", its (c) level too.

Some middle eastern folklore tales and byzantine and syrian texts mention women and couples of (d) stage, but its a very rare topic.

Extreme obesity in literature and folk-tales.


E.g., see fantasyfeeder.com/cms/infusions/forum/view-thread.php