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Curiousv   Romania
Joined 15 years
The biggest problem was not making it a supermajority vote. Important and long-lasting changes should require a supermajority, just as it's like in almost every other country. It's not a simple election the results of which can be changed again in 4 years if people realize they don't like it.

And as the result of this referendum was very close, it means that it's not the will of the British people what decided the election. It's temporary mood, and the weather, and that day's television program, and that day's news headlines are what determined the result. Because such things (which are very temporary, but still affect the mood) can easily sway 1-2 percent of the vote.
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Fatchance   United States
Joined 7 years
Just a somewhat informed outsider here, but it appears to me that the EU is designed to accomplish what WWII failed to do, annex most of Europe as vassals of Germany.

Economically, Germany has prospered in the EU, and has largely controlled it. The rest of the developed nations, From the UK, to Italy, to Greece have suffered compared to what they would have had otherwise.
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Carlos Francisco   Venezuela
Joined 18 years
You mean Martín bormann, the nazi who was not aprended, not found yet, probably still at large, if he is a live??
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Neighborhoodfeeder   United States
Joined 15 years
The EU is highly undemocratic,
If the EU wants something and people have to vote on it they will keep holding elections until they get the result they want.

Ironically that is the same attitude of the remain people.

Wanting do overs because people voted "wrong".

What Germany couldn't do with tanks and bombs they managed to do it with banks and bonds.
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Curveman   United Kingdom
Joined 7 years
curiousv:
The biggest problem was not making it a supermajority vote. Important and long-lasting changes should require a supermajority, just as it's like in almost every other country. It's not a simple election the results of which can be changed again in 4 years if people realize they don't like it.

And as the result of this referendum was very close, it means that it's not the will of the British people what decided the election. It's temporary mood, and the weather, and that day's television program, and that day's news headlines are what determined the result. Because such things (which are very temporary, but still affect the mood) can easily sway 1-2 percent of the vote.

And of course the lies told by the Leave campaign. You are quite right and I definitely think we should stay in the EU.
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Neighborhoodfeeder   United States
Joined 15 years
curiousv:
The biggest problem was not making it a supermajority vote. Important and long-lasting changes should require a supermajority, just as it's like in almost every other country. It's not a simple election the results of which can be changed again in 4 years if people realize they don't like it.

And as the result of this referendum was very close, it means that it's not the will of the British people what decided the election. It's temporary mood, and the weather, and that day's television program, and that day's news headlines are what determined the result. Because such things (which are very temporary, but still affect the mood) can easily sway 1-2 percent of the vote.

Curveman:
And of course the lies told by the Leave campaign. You are quite right and I definitely think we should stay in the EU.


The EU wants to make an example of the UK, yet if they where a decent and reasonable body they would do maintain the style of relationship that the EU had with Norway.

Don't worry Germany's economy and Frances economy are in worse shape than the UK.
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Neighborhoodfeeder   United States
Joined 15 years
Benjaminnvitemore:
The EU is highly undemocratic??
It is not... is it DEMOCRATIC.
Every four years EU citizens have an election to VOTE IN who they want in the European Parliament who discuss and pass laws. The European council is made up of all the heads of states of each member country that is DEMOCRACTICALLY elected in. Also... Germany do not compare modern Germany with Nazi Germany, they are very different and modern Germany does have a large influence in the EU, but that is only because it has the largest population out of all member states.


They force nations to vote again after again until they vote the correct way.
Look up the Lisbon treaty.
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Fatchance   United States
Joined 7 years
You need to look up the word democratic in a dictionary. It clearly does not mean what you think it does.

The EU is not a democracy, or a republic, although it has some of the superficial trappings of a republic.

The EU is primarly ruled by a Bureaucracy controlled the Germany. It was designed that way from the beginning. I don't live there so have no ax to grind, but the facts are the facts.
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Fatchance   United States
Joined 7 years
Benjaminnvitemore:
The EU is highly undemocratic??
It is not... is it DEMOCRATIC.
Every four years EU citizens have an election to VOTE IN who they want in the European Parliament who discuss and pass laws. The European council is made up of all the heads of states of each member country that is DEMOCRACTICALLY elected in. Also... Germany do not compare modern Germany with Nazi Germany, they are very different and modern Germany does have a large influence in the EU, but that is only because it has the largest population out of all member states.


Assuming that your description is accurate, you have described a republic, not a democracy.

And, if those representatives were the true rulers of the EU, then it would in fact be a republic. However, the structure of the EU places most authority in the EU bureaucracy and it often renders the elected representatives moot.

Most of the economic benefits attributed to the EU were present in the common market.
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