Ploppp:
The fear most of us have about fat is unearned. Fat bodies are not unhealthy because fat is unhealthy, but because fat bodies are stigmatized. Weight cycling (also called “yo yo dieting”) is very hard on the body and can cause issues down the road, doctors are biased and don’t provide care to fat people, the stress of being fat in a world that is so abusive towards fat bodies causes damage, but being fat isn’t the problem we’re taught it is.
becomingoverweight:
Ehhh... no. The science on adipose tissue clearly shows that having an excess of visceral fat causes metabolic syndrome on its own, no other external factors required.
Zelda64:
what exactly does that mean
LondonFA:
In essence, excess fat around the organs affects their functionality. One strong example is the effect of fat surrounding the pancreas on the organs functionality. There's a lot.of good endocrine studies out there in the lancet or nrendo.
It's one of the reasons why many feeders on here are quite keen to emphasize that soft jiggly fat = good, hard ball belly = potentially dangerous.
Ploppp:
But visceral fat impacts thin people in addition to fat people? So to me that point doesn’t really reflect fat health, because when I’m talking about fat health, it’s about the health of fat people. I hear your point and am not interested in having a debate, but if you’re curious to learn more about fat health from the angle I’m coming from, I would really recommend the podcast Food Psych. She’s an anti-diet certified dietician and can break down these concepts. I actually mentioned a lot of sources you can explore if you’re interested! I know health is a big concern for anyone and it’s important we do whatever we can to be advocates for our health as well as great caretakers for ourselves and the people who depend on us.
Edit: wait maybe I’m thinking of a different post. Here are some sources: “The body is not an apology”, “what we don’t talk about when we talk about fat”, “anti-diet” are all great books on fat activism and health. I also listen to the podcasts Food Psych and Maintenance Phase which are also great
I'm guessing we're talking about the same thing here.
In essence, most correlative diseases with obesity that aren't musculoskeletal are more correlative with high visceral fat. Higher visceral fats on MRI in lower BMI patients, if dietary, are usually related to sugars and alcohol [They can of course be related to other underlying issue including endocrine disorders]. In higher BMI patients, what the data shows is that those more prone to the set of diseases referred to as metabolic syndrome, are often related to excess consumption of drivers of visceral fat storage. Again this can be from the excess calories intake being from simple sugars, alcohol, or in some niche sports people from doping with insulin (which is what caused the deaths of at least 4 high ranking under 60s sumo recently).
In essence, yes, visceral fat is present in all people, and diseases related to it can occur in lower BMI patients, but, to the point of this thread, are more correlative with higher BMI patients as modern diets often drive the laying down of fat stores that are both visceral and subcutaneous. As a result it is important to look at this when taking on a gaining lifestyle.
Yes, you can be reasonably healthy at a high adipose+high BMI, but you must consider where the weight is to assess you risk of disease.
It is not helpful to simply say that lower BMI people are less equally prone to visceral fat related diseases as, "excess" visceral fat shows up far more frequently in higher BMI people ergo: feedees/gainers/BBWs/BHMs etc etc are more prone to diseases related to higher visceral fat. It's important as if you want to be big beautiful and as healthy as possible (and that is a choice to the limits of your personal possible max, many of us have underlying traits/health conditions), you need to consider your diet and how you gain and what signs to look for that might indicate your gain may cause issues in the future that you should prepare for.
