General

FAMGM:
Social structures foster sexism.

FAMGM:
Social structures foster sexism.

FAMGM:
Social structures foster sexism.

Curiousv:
Lack of social structure fosters warlordism.

Check out any place and time on the planet where a region had no effective government. Would you want to live there?

Humans are flawed. But many humans also try to be good. No matter what kind of social structure you have or don't have, a certain percentage of humans will be assholes. If someone promised you that by breaking society apart and implementing their idea of a new system will bring out perfect utopia where every single human being will cooperate with everyone in everything without any issues, then you've been led on and you might unknowingly be serving an upstart dictatorship which will make things worse, much much worse. Several infamous systems in the past century started this way, which such promises...

Our current society (it seems almost every commenter here is from a country belonging to the "Western civilization" ), despite having some flaws we could work on to make it better, is still the civilization which gives the best quality of life and the most personal freedom to common people, across the entire human history, and it has been built up gradually over many many centuries. Anyone who denies that, denies basic reality, and shows an utter lack of knowledge about history.

If you want to completely demolish it and build something completely new out of the ashes, chances are the result will be much worse than what we have now.

Enas:
The purpose of the forums is to educate, right? There could be more people seeking to educate, and to do it in an effective way. That will have some result. That's why i wrote this thread in the first place! Regardless, i hope that you'll find what you need, comrade! (:

Munchies:
You are correct that patriarchy isn't the source of all society's ills. However, it's an enormous leap from "Wow, women sure do have a hard time" to "We should abolish the system because it hurts everyone and rebuild it from the ground up."

I don't care if you are into anarchy, but how will that help systematized patriarchy? Because patriarchy has been around far longer than capitalism. Abolishing capitalism would not abolish patriarchy.

As I said before, patriarchy is both an individual and a systemic issue. Tackling one without the other is ineffective.

You are focusing on too much at once, and it's making you directionless. You are also not keeping in mind who your audience is. This is a fetish site. People come here to escape and be horny. While there's always space to discuss treating people as equals, no one wants to discuss politics or economics. Even the numerous posts discussing gender issues will only discuss them in the context of the site and fetish.

So, if you want to have these deep, complex discussions, it would be best to do it on a better platform.

Enas:
The purpose of the forums is to educate, right? There could be more people seeking to educate, and to do it in an effective way. That will have some result. That's why i wrote this thread in the first place! Regardless, i hope that you'll find what you need, comrade! (:

Munchies:
You are correct that patriarchy isn't the source of all society's ills. However, it's an enormous leap from "Wow, women sure do have a hard time" to "We should abolish the system because it hurts everyone and rebuild it from the ground up."

I don't care if you are into anarchy, but how will that help systematized patriarchy? Because patriarchy has been around far longer than capitalism. Abolishing capitalism would not abolish patriarchy.

As I said before, patriarchy is both an individual and a systemic issue. Tackling one without the other is ineffective.

You are focusing on too much at once, and it's making you directionless. You are also not keeping in mind who your audience is. This is a fetish site. People come here to escape and be horny. While there's always space to discuss treating people as equals, no one wants to discuss politics or economics. Even the numerous posts discussing gender issues will only discuss them in the context of the site and fetish.

So, if you want to have these deep, complex discussions, it would be best to do it on a better platform.

Enas:
I get this! but I'm also saying that in this site there could be a place for people to learn to have, if not empathy, then at least some more basic stuff like respect and patience.
This should be done in a socialist basis, in other words, it's goal must be to be as useful as possible!
I don't think any part of what i just wrote is irrelevant to this site! I
I just wish to see that, because with that other attitude of "everyone is responsible for themselves" we're clearly not making any step at all!

Enas:
The purpose of the forums is to educate, right? There could be more people seeking to educate, and to do it in an effective way. That will have some result. That's why i wrote this thread in the first place! Regardless, i hope that you'll find what you need, comrade! (:

Munchies:
You are correct that patriarchy isn't the source of all society's ills. However, it's an enormous leap from "Wow, women sure do have a hard time" to "We should abolish the system because it hurts everyone and rebuild it from the ground up."

I don't care if you are into anarchy, but how will that help systematized patriarchy? Because patriarchy has been around far longer than capitalism. Abolishing capitalism would not abolish patriarchy.

As I said before, patriarchy is both an individual and a systemic issue. Tackling one without the other is ineffective.

You are focusing on too much at once, and it's making you directionless. You are also not keeping in mind who your audience is. This is a fetish site. People come here to escape and be horny. While there's always space to discuss treating people as equals, no one wants to discuss politics or economics. Even the numerous posts discussing gender issues will only discuss them in the context of the site and fetish.

So, if you want to have these deep, complex discussions, it would be best to do it on a better platform.

Enas:
I get this! but I'm also saying that in this site there could be a place for people to learn to have, if not empathy, then at least some more basic stuff like respect and patience.
This should be done in a socialist basis, in other words, it's goal must be to be as useful as possible!
I don't think any part of what i just wrote is irrelevant to this site! I
I just wish to see that, because with that other attitude of "everyone is responsible for themselves" we're clearly not making any step at all!

Munchies:
Enas, if you want to make a difference, then you can start by being empathetic towards people. Based on our previous conversations, you struggle to do that. Once you've worked on yourself, then you can turn outwards and talk to other people.

Munchies:
As a woman of color, I'm not sure I agree with your statement concerning Western societies being the best form of civilization. Especially since, in my country, my rights are being stripped away. I don't want to live somewhere else, but I know that my living situation is not the best.

Enas:
The purpose of the forums is to educate, right? There could be more people seeking to educate, and to do it in an effective way. That will have some result. That's why i wrote this thread in the first place! Regardless, i hope that you'll find what you need, comrade! (:

Munchies:
You are correct that patriarchy isn't the source of all society's ills. However, it's an enormous leap from "Wow, women sure do have a hard time" to "We should abolish the system because it hurts everyone and rebuild it from the ground up."

I don't care if you are into anarchy, but how will that help systematized patriarchy? Because patriarchy has been around far longer than capitalism. Abolishing capitalism would not abolish patriarchy.

As I said before, patriarchy is both an individual and a systemic issue. Tackling one without the other is ineffective.

You are focusing on too much at once, and it's making you directionless. You are also not keeping in mind who your audience is. This is a fetish site. People come here to escape and be horny. While there's always space to discuss treating people as equals, no one wants to discuss politics or economics. Even the numerous posts discussing gender issues will only discuss them in the context of the site and fetish.

So, if you want to have these deep, complex discussions, it would be best to do it on a better platform.

Enas:
I get this! but I'm also saying that in this site there could be a place for people to learn to have, if not empathy, then at least some more basic stuff like respect and patience.
This should be done in a socialist basis, in other words, it's goal must be to be as useful as possible!
I don't think any part of what i just wrote is irrelevant to this site! I
I just wish to see that, because with that other attitude of "everyone is responsible for themselves" we're clearly not making any step at all!

Munchies:
Enas, if you want to make a difference, then you can start by being empathetic towards people. Based on our previous conversations, you struggle to do that. Once you've worked on yourself, then you can turn outwards and talk to other people.

Enas:
How do you arrive to the conclusion that what i struggle id bring empathetic to people?
Seriously, im asking because what i find myself struggling i think, is communication! I hope i dont bother you by asking im just left really confused!

Munchies:
As a woman of color, I'm not sure I agree with your statement concerning Western societies being the best form of civilization. Especially since, in my country, my rights are being stripped away. I don't want to live somewhere else, but I know that my living situation is not the best.


Curiousv:
Which rights did you previously have that are now being "stripped away"?

And please tell me one other time period or other civilization which you would rather have at your location, instead of the current one.

I never claimed there is nothing to improve. I was only against the idea of demolishing everything and being so conceited as to believe to be able to build a better one.

Munchies:
As a woman of color, I'm not sure I agree with your statement concerning Western societies being the best form of civilization. Especially since, in my country, my rights are being stripped away. I don't want to live somewhere else, but I know that my living situation is not the best.


Curiousv:
Which rights did you previously have that are now being "stripped away"?

And please tell me one other time period or other civilization which you would rather have at your location, instead of the current one.

I never claimed there is nothing to improve. I was only against the idea of demolishing everything and being so conceited as to believe to be able to build a better one.