Fat experiences

People usually judge from an idealistic point of view, which is useless and bizare, if not dangerous and destructive.
People want "The real thing" which is nothing more than an idea of what the real thing is. They compare actually real things with it and usually those fail the test. This is what happens with content creators. They are judged against the idea of pure, of "honest"... and even sexist if we're talking about female content creators, in terms of "The role of women is to please men" which is raised as an ideal, in that idea.

Then when they fail this, unreasonable, test people come up with all these negative. That they are selfish. Or that they are dishonest. This is a common trend across people who subscribe to individualism and are oblivious to its shortcomings.

A materialist analysis is what is actually helpfull here, but who is really going to sit down and think? People are either too tired from their daily lives, or too stupid, or both, to do that. So i shall try to put it as good as i can.

When someone that belongs to the working class (i.e. People who need to rent themselves to get a wage in return, which will allow them to survive) is trying to make content, in order to sell it, thats propably a means of survival. Not everytime, but most. This means that they cannot support the lifestyle they need to, in order to survive. In the US that means owning a car and paying a lot for fuel too, because otherwise you wont get around to the stores to buy food and stuff.

If the above is true, then the person who creates content will design the content so that it will service its goal, which is to sell. What that means is prioritizing the maximization of its exchnage value, above the use value or the real value (how much labor is required for it). Thats because prices in a market are the reflection of the exchnage value of comodities. Something having a high exhange value means more people want to pay more money, to get it.

What i just described, is comodification. It is caused by market dependency and the profit motive. Its the capitalist system's dynamic to commodify everything. By what ive suggested above, you can understand how genuine and honest creator makers are; the same as any capitalist is. That is they are pushed by social forces (demand) to behave in certain ways (supply the demand) and they have even less power than capitalists, because they dont own any significant means of production, which is one significant source of power. They could definetely do better, if they didnt need to comply with that very narrow line of comercialism but thats where we are.

And then there are people who only look at the symptoms and indentify

They are worse than human garbage, bordering on being truly evil. There are obligate predators, people like serial killers that are driven to do evil, but in the same way that I'm driven to eat chocolate or maybe someone with tourettes is driven to tick. As a society, we need to remove them, but their "evil" is overblown.

Then there are facultative predators and opportunists, people that do evil because they think it's fun and their bored or because it is moderately easier than something else (or, tbf, because they had it modelled for them by other people in their lives, friends, parents, etc.). People that intentionally cause pain and damage and are not "unwillingly" evil. Those people are truly among the worst humanity has to offer, imho, and I'd say the group you describe falls in that category.

I uh.... I cant see the post youre replying to!

Also im curious, how do you mean "evil"?

Oh thats actually irrelevant! The point Munchies tries to make with this is what ideas these people have, of women! This is kind of the status quo ideology, that "women are weak and men are strong" and that "fat is Weaknesses".

Regardless of if these are true, thats the ideology, thats how people percieve things.

You and Nok have the correct understanding of my point.

I wish that it were that simple.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of fat women have internalized fatphobia. So, unfortunately, that can make some of them more vulnerable to manipulative, abusive people. They think this is the best it gets for them, so they end up tolerating things that they shouldn't have to tolerate.

That said, there are plenty of fat women who have enough self-respect to weed out most of these creeps. Sometimes the slyer creeps fly under the radar, so that will only get you so far.

This is true. And I give them the same energy I do male creeps. However, this specific behavior is much more common in this space from men due to how men are socialized.

That said, the only reason I brought this up is because this thread was originally shitting on women who don't have a fat fetish in fat fetish spaces and want money.

Due to how gender roles work, you're not going to find a lot of men doing this - especially cishet men. However, you will find score of men (especially cishet men) come into these spaces because they think fat women are easy abuse targets.

I come across men like this all the time. It's really scary - especially when they pretend to be doms.

Since people like these men are dangerous and deadly, I wanted to see if these misogynists would hold the same energy for them as they did the "money whores" they dispise. They did not. Nok was the only person to comment on this, and he wasn't part of the group bashing women.