Extreme obesity

Bigdoug:
That’s exactly why I am not religious! These quotes cited by the OP depict extremely fat women in a very negative light and seemingly enjoy their cruel treatment. Mysoginistic bs as far as I am concerned. Goes right along with declaring gluttony a deadly sin. As a fat man and husband of a fat woman I find that very offensive!

Olga01:
Yes, but for me it's interesting not the fact that Amos hates these women, but the fact that they existed and that Northern Israel people loved them and pampered them. We have info about this fact only through Amos with his hatred.

Munchies:
That's not why he was mad. He was mad that they were taking food from the mouths of those without. This is a class and corruption issue.

Bigdoug:
That’s exactly why I am not religious! These quotes cited by the OP depict extremely fat women in a very negative light and seemingly enjoy their cruel treatment. Mysoginistic bs as far as I am concerned. Goes right along with declaring gluttony a deadly sin. As a fat man and husband of a fat woman I find that very offensive!

Bigdoug:
That’s exactly why I am not religious! These quotes cited by the OP depict extremely fat women in a very negative light and seemingly enjoy their cruel treatment. Mysoginistic bs as far as I am concerned. Goes right along with declaring gluttony a deadly sin. As a fat man and husband of a fat woman I find that very offensive!

Olga01:
Yes, but for me it's interesting not the fact that Amos hates these women, but the fact that they existed and that Northern Israel people loved them and pampered them. We have info about this fact only through Amos with his hatred.

Munchies:
That's not why he was mad. He was mad that they were taking food from the mouths of those without. This is a class and corruption issue.

Olga01:
He was mad really in literal sense of the word. Food consumption of elite cant " take food " from the mouths of common peoole. Even in egalitarian bands of hunters-gatherers of Magdalenian paleolitic Europe 20 000 years ago women could gain weight up to epic proportions. And there was no society in the world history where elite could be costy for main part of the people because of its food consumption.

Bigdoug:
That’s exactly why I am not religious! These quotes cited by the OP depict extremely fat women in a very negative light and seemingly enjoy their cruel treatment. Mysoginistic bs as far as I am concerned. Goes right along with declaring gluttony a deadly sin. As a fat man and husband of a fat woman I find that very offensive!

Olga01:
Yes, but for me it's interesting not the fact that Amos hates these women, but the fact that they existed and that Northern Israel people loved them and pampered them. We have info about this fact only through Amos with his hatred.

Munchies:
That's not why he was mad. He was mad that they were taking food from the mouths of those without. This is a class and corruption issue.

Olga01:
He was mad really in literal sense of the word. Food consumption of elite cant " take food " from the mouths of common peoole. Even in egalitarian bands of hunters-gatherers of Magdalenian paleolitic Europe 20 000 years ago women could gain weight up to epic proportions. And there was no society in the world history where elite could be costy for main part of the people because of its food consumption.

Munchies:
*le deep sigh*

How about you stop talking about something you do not fully understand.

I have read Amos in full numerous times. I am very familiar with the text. Yes, there is misogyny about how he is addressing them. However, it is not the fatness itself that is the problem. He spells it out very plainly.

Bigdoug:
That’s exactly why I am not religious! These quotes cited by the OP depict extremely fat women in a very negative light and seemingly enjoy their cruel treatment. Mysoginistic bs as far as I am concerned. Goes right along with declaring gluttony a deadly sin. As a fat man and husband of a fat woman I find that very offensive!

Olga01:
Yes, but for me it's interesting not the fact that Amos hates these women, but the fact that they existed and that Northern Israel people loved them and pampered them. We have info about this fact only through Amos with his hatred.

Munchies:
That's not why he was mad. He was mad that they were taking food from the mouths of those without. This is a class and corruption issue.

Olga01:
He was mad really in literal sense of the word. Food consumption of elite cant " take food " from the mouths of common peoole. Even in egalitarian bands of hunters-gatherers of Magdalenian paleolitic Europe 20 000 years ago women could gain weight up to epic proportions. And there was no society in the world history where elite could be costy for main part of the people because of its food consumption.

Munchies:
*le deep sigh*

How about you stop talking about something you do not fully understand.

I have read Amos in full numerous times. I am very familiar with the text. Yes, there is misogyny about how he is addressing them. However, it is not the fatness itself that is the problem. He spells it out very plainly.

Olga01:
Oh oh yes, it is terrible terrible oppression with which the husbands of these women overburdened the poor laboring masses, in order to provide for these women food and wine! Of course, all we know that slim women and husbands of slim women can't overexploitate poor people, only fat ones and their husbands can!

If Amos would have ever meant anything you try to ascribe to him, he wouldn't mention fatness at all. In this case he would just express indignation for overexploitation of people by elite without any mentioning of body type of exploitators, as it is totally irrelevant to degree of exploitation. Moreover, in this case he would speak not about women but about men, because women were not property owners and could not exploitate people at all.

You can try to make any kind of communist or friend of the poor people of this religious antihedonistic fanatic, but it will be a useless attempt.
The same biblical prophets express very brightly that the vast masses of the people hated their ideas and their threats and mocked them. It is hard to reconcile this fact with the idea that Amos and company were great champions of poor laborers, oppressed by greedy upper classes.

Olga01:
Do we want to learn more about fat admiration and ssbbws in various times and cultures, from any source which can provide this information,

or do we want to use only such sources, whose authors share our own positions? The second option would be absurd. there are many things in history which we can learn about only through sources which were written by haters of these things.

We have no sources written by those fat admirers of Samaria and by those women of Samaria, but we can learn about them through things which Amos writes about them. I definitely think that to learn about these people from their hater is much better than not to learn about them at all.

That's why I don't understand the reprimand declaring that material which I quoted doesn't add anything. It adds bright information about huge and luxurious ssbbws of Samaria, and about those who loved them, appreciated them and were their enablers. It would be very strange, if such an information would be accepted as offopic here, I think.

Olga01:
1. I'm not dealing with religion. I quoted analysis of Old Testament text just as one of many ancient texts,

2. Losch, whose comments I have presented, is religious man , religious teacher and even priest himself. The scholars, whose comments I have presented, are secular scholars. But are they think about the women from this text the same that Losch thinks .

Different opinions exist only on the precise meaning of threats to these women. I quoted some explanations with arguments (not my ones) in favor of them. If you have other plausible interpretations of this meaning, you are strongly welcomed to tell them, just as any other men who has any opinion on this point.