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Squirrelscanbeblue:
You need to raise your insulin by drinking milk and load up on carbs preferably right before you go to sleep in order to gain quickly and avoid getting diabetes


Who told you these things?

Consuming milk and carbs will not help you avoid diabetes. While the jury is out on milk's contribution, carbs have a well-documented history of being linked to the condition.

It's also possible to be super healthy and still get diabetes.

With that in mind, the best way to gain weight while minimizing health risks is to eat a high-calorie, nutritious diet while getting light to moderate exercise, preferably with a mix of cardio and strength training.

Rapid gains aren't safe or healthy either. Not sure where you got that idea from. Slower gains are better as they give you time to adjust.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
Milk has been proven to raise insulin in various studies


Yes. Raise insulin. That doesn't mean it causes diabetes. The research is not clear. You speak to 10 different doctors on the matter and get 10 different answers.

That said, if you are otherwise healthy, milk will not cause any health issues—provided you aren't consuming insane amounts of it.

Looking at you, GOMAD crowd. Y'all crazy.

As to diabetics drinking milk, your milage will vary. Milk has carbs in it, but not crazy high amounts of carbs. If you don't feel bad and don't overdo it, you'll be fine.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
Also I said milk prevents diabetes, not causes it


You are missing the point. It doesn't prevent it. It doesn't cause it, either. At most, it can exacerbate existing diabetes, but that is it.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
Milk raises insulin. Insulin is used by the body to turn carbs into fat, raising the levels means more carbs get turned into fat. Insulin promotes growth in general, it works wonders on baby calves. Diabetics occasionally require erogenous Insulin to clear their blood of sugar, sugar that is then metabolized as fat.


Where in the world are you getting your research from?

Yes, dairy causes mild insulin spikes.

Mild.

If you consume reasonable amounts of dairy and carbs, you will not experience any health issues. However, this does not mean consuming this will prevent you from having diabetes.

And if it was enough to spike your insulin levels significantly, that's not good either. If anything, it will increase your risk of diabetes. Ever heard of insulin resistance?

If you eat too many carbs, your body will increase your insulin levels to cope. This makes your body less sensitive to insulin and increases your risk of diabetes.

So, no. Carbs and milk are not going to save you from diabetes.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
From webmd

"Consuming dairy foods within a balanced diet can help lower risk for T2D. "


Or dunno I spose you could advocate weight loss on a gaining forum



Smh. The data on dairy preventing diabetes is conflicting. Some studies show that it decreases the risk. Others show an increase. It isn't very well understood at this point.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8026335/

diabetes.co.uk/food/milk-and-diabetes.html

medicine.washu.edu/news/formula-made-cows-milk-not-increase-diabetes-risk/

healthenews.mcgill.ca/does-dairy-product-consumption-influence-the-risk-of-diabetes/

As you can see, the evidence is conflicting on whether drinking milk helps prevent diabetes. And those that do reflect it only show a 9% risk reduction.

9%

You have better results buy walking, which decreases your risk by 39%.

That said, the consensus is that drinking milk in moderation is good.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
I suppose you suggest weight loss as your idea?


Nah, fam. I'm saying that if you think you can avoid diabetes by drinking milk and eating carbs before bed, you are sorely mistaken.

I've been dealing with type 2 diabetes all my life (got down to pre-diabetes at this point), and I have a background in biology. I'm an ex-gainer turned feeder who has had several feedees and helped various playmates get fat safely. I know what works, what doesn't, and why.

This is not it, fam.

This will not provide you with any special protection, and it isn't inherently healthy or low-risk. This is not to say it's the worst thing in the world, but it is on par with those copper bracelets people get to soothe arthritis pain.

It won't kill ya, but it's not making you healthy, either.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
However, research shows that consuming dairy consistently triggers disproportionately high insulin surges, given its carbohydrate load — by a factor of 3-6 times, according to a study of healthy subjects.


Baby girl, what are you doing at this point? What are you hoping to achieve?

You started out talking about how dairy prevents you from getting diabetes - or at least reduces your risk. And now you are talking about how it causes high insulin surges.

That's not a good thing.

Talk to any diabetic, and they will tell you that high insulin levels are bad. It's not like the extra insulin hangs out in your body to counter all the carbs you're eating. If it happens enough, you end up with insulin resistance.

Don't go out of your way to spike your insulin levels in hopes of avoiding diabetes. This is actually how you get diabetes.

Bless your heart.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
Increased dairy consumption has been linked to a lower risk of T2DM. The protective role of dairy foods in the development of T2DM is thought to be largely attributable to dairy nutrients, one of them being dairy protein. There is considerable evidence that milk proteins increase the postprandial insulin response and lower the postprandial blood glucose response in both healthy subjects and patients with T2DM

Eh I'm betting on it raising insulin because it cam turn a baby calf into a 400lb animal


What are you even arguing? The more I talk to you, the more I am convinced you, unfortunately, sustained a TBI at some point.

No one is saying that milk and carbs won't help you gain weight. The issue is thinking it will protect you from diabetes. And the more we talk, the more it's clear that you do not understand nutrition or biology.

1. The evidence of dairy decreasing the risk for diabetes is conflicting.

2. Those that indicate it decreases the risk so it only decreases it by 9%.

3. Milk is a complex liquid with many ingredients. It has both carbs and simple sugar. As such, a diabetic with low blood sugar can drink milk to raise it. A diabetic with high blood sugar should avoid it as it WILL make things worse.

4. Increased insulin does not protect you from diabetes. It may lower your blood glucose levels in the short term, but it leads to insulin resistance in the long term.

5. A diet with lot of dairy and carbs will help you gain weight, but it cannot protect you from diabetes.
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Squirrelscanbeblue:
Increased dairy consumption has been linked to a lower risk of T2DM. The protective role of dairy foods in the development of T2DM is thought to be largely attributable to dairy nutrients, one of them being dairy protein. There is considerable evidence that milk proteins increase the postprandial insulin response and lower the postprandial blood glucose response in both healthy subjects and patients with T2DM

Eh I'm betting on it raising insulin because it cam turn a baby calf into a 400lb animal

Bros just copying and pasting from WebMD at this point without understanding what he's citing. Like yes eating more food especially before bed helps you gain weight, but playing with the chemicals in your body for the sake of a fetish doesn't end well. That's how you get a health scare and end up having to lose weight long before you reach your final goal
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