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Morbidly A Beast:
Hormone Therapy exists for people with imbalances and steroid abusers. It’s not because estrogen exists in a male body, human beings all produce the same hormones it’s just at different levels between men and women, and at different ages.

I don’t know where trans stuff comes in but it’s a different procees from what I’ve gathered.

Fat people unless they are plagued with a hormone imbalance which is common do not have different levels than their fit peers. Blood work would prove this easily.

Morbidly A Beast:
Hormone Therapy exists for people with imbalances and steroid abusers. It’s not because estrogen exists in a male body, human beings all produce the same hormones it’s just at different levels between men and women, and at different ages.

I don’t know where trans stuff comes in but it’s a different procees from what I’ve gathered.

Fat people unless they are plagued with a hormone imbalance which is common do not have different levels than their fit peers. Blood work would prove this easily.

Arame:
1. I literally said SEDENTARY and I said TEND. I never said that’s absolutely the case cause nothing is in absolutes. Possibility and probability are not the same thing, I’m speaking in probability. There wouldn’t be Testosterone Replacement Therapy Clinics if what I said didn’t have validity to it. And I wouldn’t be a certified personal trainer if I didn’t know about testosterone levels and their correlation(not to be confused with causation) to body composition.

Do you know how many times other male feedee and gainers have posted about this very experience on this website? It’s not a coincidence.

2. And no….no I’ve never spend any time in nerd spaces. It doesn’t say anywhere on the website that I’m a gamer or anime head, right? Also, being an incel and being aggressive ain’t the same thing. I would know, I’m a martial artist that bodybuilds and there’s NO bigger space for nerds than the martial arts community. Especially Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. And martial artists HATE bodybuilders because we’re pretty much the adult version of jocks.

3. You: Estrogen doesn't make you a passive person.

Also you: Yeah, testosterone can make people aggressive

Thank you for agreeing with me by contradicting yourself smh.

Munchies:


I am telling you that your generalizations do not make any sense. People act like testosterone is some kind of aggression juice, but it's really not. It's only if you have high testosterone.

And I did not contradict myself because I specified that it is specifically high testosterone. Fun fact: high estrogen levels make you aggressive, too. It's less about the hormone so much as it is the hormone imbalance.

And I said nothing about incels. I said nerds. Not the same thing. There are plenty of incels that aren't nerds and vice versa. The nerds I'm talking about do not necessarily have issues with women. Many of them are married with children.

If you talk to any nerd about something they know a lot about and you are wrong/ they don't agree with you, you will see that aggression come out. You might not see it in your martial art spaces, but bring up what they are passionate about out of the dojo. You will see the difference.

And I would know because I'm a nerdy martial artist.

And what is this weird beef with bodybuilders? I know a lot of bodybuilders, martial artists, and bodybuilders who are martial artists. Hell, my mom used to be a bodybuilder and then switched to MMA. Maybe the people you knew never grew out of that high school mentality, but the ones I've seen tend to have a lot of respect for each other.

My brother in Christ, Google is free. Take the 5 minutes to do your research before making shit up because it feels right.

Arame:
HRT and TRT is not the same thing my dude. The hormones given to trans people and TRT are two different clinics. And steroid abusers? You realize not every man that’s on TRT used steroids, right? They’re also administered to aging men. For example, Fitness YouTuber, Brandon Carter opened up about using TRT after his test results showed he had low testosterone levels. And when he posted his results, his doctor was in the video with him and showed that Brandon’s testosterone levels showed zero signs of ever using PEDs meaning he was a lifetime natty.

Like I said, I wouldn’t be a certified personal trainer if I didn’t know what I was talking about. Like I said, Im a martial artist and I’m a former Men’ Physique, I’ve been around way more PED users than you on both ends.

Idk why we’re arguing in the year 2025 when Google is free but here you go

www.agelessmenshealth.com/low-t-health-risks/low-t-increased-body-fat/

www.agelessmenshealth.com/low-t-health-risks/low-t-increased-body-fat/

www.agelessmenshealth.com/low-t-health-risks/low-t-increased-body-fat/

Low testosterone is only one aspect of things. You will find things such as socialization, poor coping mechanisms, and environmental stressors to be a better sign of aggression than hormone levels. As I said before, high testosterone levels cause aggression. If your testosterone levels are within normal parameters, it will not make you more or less aggressive.

On that note, I appreciate you providing me with articles. They allow me to better understand people's viewpoints on things. That said, not all articles are created equal. I'm unsure if you were taught this with your professional background, but you must research your research.

I want to draw your attention to the study you provided. At first, it seems to support your assertion that testosterone causes aggression. But that argument falls apart when you examine its sources.

You'll see that most of the research is on animals - specifically birds and mice. And when they discuss the human link specifically, the results are more lackluster.

One of the studies used as a source is The relationship between testosterone and aggression: a meta-analysis. It is the 2nd source.

Here is an interesting except from that study:

n non-human animals, the relationship between testosterone and aggression is well established. In humans, the relationship is more controversial. To clarify the relationship, Archer conducted three meta-analyses and found a weak, positive relationship between testosterone and aggression. Unfortunately, each of the analyses included only five to six studies. The aim of the present study was to re-examine the relationship between testosterone and aggression with a larger sample of studies. The present analyses are based on 45 independent studies (N=9760) with 54 independent effect sizes. Only studies that reported a p-value or effect size were included in the analyses and the sample may underestimate the proportion of non-significant findings in the population. Correlations ranged from −0.28 to 0.71. The mean weighted correlation (r=0.14) corroborates Archer's finding of a weak positive relationship.

As you can see, the sample size is small. It also states there is a weak positive relationship. In other words, while there is a correlation, it is either negligible, or other uncontrolled factors may have influenced the results. Mind you, this is for normal testosterone levels. Aggression with high testosterone is very well established.

There's a lot wrong with this study, but the depths of it would take far more than the 4k word limit on the post and would ultimately derail the thread. If you want to talk about it privately in DMs, I am open to talking. I promise to keep civil.