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Munchies, thanks for trying to understand what i wrote, im sorry for not articulating things well enough myself! ;-;

Alright, let me take this bit by bit:



Yes! Actually i think i said it myself somewhere!



Thats correct!



Well, not really. Im not acussing her, im saying that, i think society at large has this implicit assumption of rape being worse than abuse. This is not being said explicitly, but the way many, but not all, people behave (for example, the way in which they decide how to argue) shows that they unconciously believe that.



Yeah. I Didn’t answer on that, but doing it now might help illustrate what i meant.

If by rape we mean sexual assault, then we shouldn't consider it as rape per se, because of two reasons. It lacks the assault element, in fact if its something done in decrecy, its antithetical to it being an assault. And partly because of the above, it lacks the consequences that rape trends to have. You dont run the risk of developing PTSD, or becoming pregnant, or even suffer inguries. Calling it rape means we necesarily give up on the precise meaning of the word that entails these important consequences. So we are undermining the awareness of the general public by doing that.




Thats correct!

For the last paragraph... I guess there is a language barrier for me. I dont know what this phrase means:

a sausage party is when it’s a bunch of dudes and no women.

engaging in non-consensual predatory behavior is rapey, the rapist, murderer, etc doesn’t see the harm in what they are doing.

Yeah, rape is more than a depraved person pouncing on a poor, unsuspecting victim. To put it very simply, rape is an nonconsensual sexual act. And this spans a lot of things, including:

Non-penetrative assault
Non-traditional sex acts
Consent given through coercion
Consent given through manipulation
Consent given under false pretenses
Sabotaging birth control

This is by far not an all-inclusive list. But this does demonstrate how important it is to get enthusiastic informed consent. Failure to do so may lead to a bevvy of consequences.

Gotcha!

Hi!! I have a bit of a complicated relationship with gender so I do fall under the trans umbrella technically. I saw this discussion and I think it’s potentially a good idea here— lots of opportunities for important conversations.



Seconded. Consent is incredibly important in all sexual (and others!) situations.
I should also bring up that consent can be revoked at any time! So, while, if someone said yes to something initially, they could say “no” later on, and the proper thing to do is to stop. If they continue, that counts as rape, since the act is no longer desired.

A lot of people unfortunately struggle with setting boundaries or saying no, myself included. I still struggle with it to this day. If you’re one of those people— it’s not your fault. There are just some nasty folks in this world who should know better, but alas…
The advice I can only give to that is self advocacy. Work on yourself, understand your emotions, your strengths and weaknesses. I’m a naturally shy, soft spoken person irl. I practically quadruple check everything I say (which is mentally exhausting) because I’m afraid of being “rude”, (I also have autism— likely alters my experiences as well). Improvement may be slow, but having confidence can go a long way. Easier said than done, but I’d be willing to go into a more in-depth discussion on this (based around my own personal experience).

Speaking of boundaries…

Having them in your bio (not just here but on different sites) can (sometimes) help. Of course the real creeps will look right past them, but I think they’re still important to have. Can work in a way that you quote a line in your bio to them, say “hey, my bio/page explicitly says not to do what you’re doing right now, stop it”. And just draw a line.

Then you can move on to informing others about potential creeps as well. Safety in numbers! You only know what you know, we’re not mindreaders here. So if someone is dangerous, don’t keep it to yourself. Keep records of someone’s weird behaviour. Don’t forget it (and you do not need to forgive it either, even if the person has claimed to change, that is up to you).

I’m not the greatest at giving tips, sorry. Most of this has just been from other people I’ve been around. Being so shy even on the internet, meant I managed to avoid a lot of the creeps, even when I was younger. But I am going to follow this discussion anyways, and contribute in the ways that I can.

Hi!! I have a bit of a complicated relationship with gender so I do fall under the trans umbrella technically. I saw this discussion and I think it’s potentially a good idea here— lots of opportunities for important conversations.



I mean a lot of people need to hear things like this. These are novel concepts to some people.