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I think its not okay to let these happen. I dont disagree with you here. I even think you're right to be dogmatic about certain opinions. (For example, harassment of women - it should never be allowed to happen) I think we would disagree for example on what is bigotry if we were to go in detail about it,and how it should be handled. That would be an interesting conversation to have!

So you accept that it’s unacceptable for women to be harassed, good. My contention is that it is different but not dissimilar to someone being discriminated against, thus it to being bigoted is an unacceptable behavior do you follow?

I don’t think someone needs justify themselves when they feel they are being discriminated against just like a woman feeling harassed doesn’t need to justify their belief it’s what they feel. Does that make sense?

One thing I appreciate is how the community has improved how it looks out for each other.

3 years ago, when I first came to the community, toxic people ran mostly unchecked. But these days, there are a lot of really nice people who stand up to defend people.

I am loving the how people keep showing up for people with kind words of encouragement, or defending people from creeps and bullies.

In all honesty, I just want to do and say the right thing. Even if nobody appreciates me anymore I still want to have valid opinions and have my place in a community like this.

Hey at least I ain’t wrong! 😅 Like when was there ever a time that YOU made a bad take on something? Like never?

I mean, I was raised to keep my mouth shut unless I have something positive to contribute and know what I am talking about. This just happens to be within my wheel of expertise.

I was also raised to never post something online unless I would say it to someone's face and stand by it no matter what.

And lastly, my takes are very milquetoast. Respect people, do no harm, consent is important... These are the least spicy takes anyone can have.

I have a serious question. This is not me trying to hate. I just want to understand.

What is with the woe is me thing you have going on? This is an ongoing thing I've noticed from you for a few years now. People don't hate you, but you routinely talk about how you are not liked or wanted.

What's happening here? Are you doing okay? Is everything fine at home?

Of course! I would never want to go on my way to actually harm anybody. I’m not that much of an asshole as people think of me.

I at least try to post/text something in the same way as I would whenever I am speaking to someone or talking in a video. I think we all know that only a coward hides behind a screen and random profile pictures to talk shit online to somebody (even in the comments section).

But either way, I still very much appreciate the community that we have.

Here, problems begin. Specifically, what does "discrimination" means? I think the argument you make here is problematic because "discrimination" might include too much stuff. Reporting someone for racist behavior is, by definition, discrimination against racist behavior. Or excluding narcissistic people from positions of power (this never happens btw, but it would be very good) is discrimination against narcissism. You dont need to wait for harm to be done in order to act to prevent it.

Im not saying that discrimination is good, im saying that it depends on context. Is it done rationally? Is it done ethically, to make peoples lives generally better? Can you justify it?

What we usually call discrimination (i.e. Against gender, race, ethnicity and so on) is bad because its unreasonable, unethical and cannot be justified without logical fallacies. Not *merely* because its discrimination.

To conclude with this, yes i get what you (propably?) mean, but its extremely importand how exactly you choose to word it.


About the second thing you said... Nobody needs to justify how they feel. However usually what happens is people confuse what their feelings are with what might have caused it,and they often times talk about the second one. And that might manifest in an offense (accusing someone of their behavior). When someone makes an offense they should also justify it. That already happens to some degree, for example if you report someone, the mods ask you for proof. Thats justification!

(btw wanna continue this conversation, elsewhere? )