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Beachside Farmer   United States
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Olga01:
1. I'm not dealing with religion. I quoted analysis of Old Testament text just as one of many ancient texts,

2. Losch, whose comments I have presented, is religious man , religious teacher and even priest himself. The scholars, whose comments I have presented, are secular scholars. But are they think about the women from this text the same that Losch thinks .

Different opinions exist only on the precise meaning of threats to these women. I quoted some explanations with arguments (not my ones) in favor of them. If you have other plausible interpretations of this meaning, you are strongly welcomed to tell them, just as any other men who has any opinion on this point.


From what I have gathered you were hoping to have an educational discussion when it comes to ancient times that may be combined with religious aspects.

Unfortunately a lot of people are not going to want to have this conversation. Some conversations are best for Chan users.
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Munchies   United States
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Olga01:
Once more, I'm not dealing with religion. If we see in Bible mention of bears in Israel (I mean the story how two bears killed 42 children who were mocking the prophet Elisha,
"there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them" ), it's just as if any other ancient source mentions bears in Israel. It just gives us info about geographical distribution of bears in those times, independently of the religious matters. The religious or moral meaning of this story is quite another thing.

Same here. From this Amos prophecy we learn about fat fashion in Israel of 8th century BC. It is not about religion. It is his attitude to this fashion and these women that is about his ideas, including religious ones, but I didn't discuss this attitude. I quoted list of those details about these women that one can derive from his text as source.

I apologize for the fact I used word man, but I want to emphasize that I didn't meant "male", I just meant any person. Maybe it's obsolete practice.


If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.
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Olga01   Russian Federation
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Olga01:
1. I'm not dealing with religion. I quoted analysis of Old Testament text just as one of many ancient texts,

2. Losch, whose comments I have presented, is religious man , religious teacher and even priest himself. The scholars, whose comments I have presented, are secular scholars. But are they think about the women from this text the same that Losch thinks .

Different opinions exist only on the precise meaning of threats to these women. I quoted some explanations with arguments (not my ones) in favor of them. If you have other plausible interpretations of this meaning, you are strongly welcomed to tell them, just as any other men who has any opinion on this point.

Beachside Farmer:
From what I have gathered you were hoping to have an educational discussion when it comes to ancient times that may be combined with religious aspects.

Unfortunately a lot of people are not going to want to have this conversation. Some conversations are best for Chan users.


It's very simple. One who doesn't want to have this or that conversation, doesn't participate in it. Nobody compels him/her/them/it to read it, nor to participate.
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Olga01   Russian Federation
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Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.
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Olga01   Russian Federation
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And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.


I definitely think that 1962 was not several centuries ago
E.g.
archive.org/details/manhisdestinying0000sgfb
This book by a pious specialist in religions it's not about males, it's about mankind / human beings.
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Munchies   United States
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And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.

Olga01:
I definitely think that 1962 was not several centuries ago
E.g.
archive.org/details/manhisdestinying0000sgfb
This book by a pious specialist in religions it's not about males, it's about mankind / human beings.


Hun, English is not your first language. This is something you should refer to the experts.

In every day English "men" is not used as a generalized was of addressing a specific person. It has not been used in that way for a very, very long time.
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Munchies   United States
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Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.


Hi. I'm Christian. What is your point?

It's called basic human decency. If something is not your religion, don't be rude about it - especially when it is clear that you do not understand the ins and outs of it.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.
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Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.

Munchies:
Hi. I'm Christian. What is your point?

It's called basic human decency. If something is not your religion, don't be rude about it - especially when it is clear that you do not understand the ins and outs of it.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.


Not every discussion or mention of a passage from a “holy book” is about religion or religious interpretation. Especially the OT has been used frequently as a reference to the history and culture of the Middle East and its tribes. It is also a historical text existing in historical context! I found the mention of the ancient SSBBWs interesting and it was news to me. So I learned something. What was not new to me was the abysmal, hypocritical and mysoginistic treatment of these women at the hands of religious fanatics, hence my dislike of religion!
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Olga01   Russian Federation
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And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.

Olga01:
I definitely think that 1962 was not several centuries ago
E.g.
archive.org/details/manhisdestinying0000sgfb
This book by a pious specialist in religions it's not about males, it's about mankind / human beings.

Munchies:
Hun, English is not your first language. This is something you should refer to the experts.

In every day English "men" is not used as a generalized was of addressing a specific person. It has not been used in that way for a very, very long time.


I agree fully, and I have apologized for this mistake, I just say that the change took place not centurIES ago.
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Olga01   Russian Federation
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Munchies:.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.


I suppose there's some misunderstanding here.
I quoted some biblical passages as a testimony of acceptance of very large women of certain dimensions in society described by Amos (or in its elite). Just as I could quote biblical mention of bears in Israel as testimony of their presence in Palestine in first millennium BC. This usage of biblical info has nothing in common with any religious matter of faith. Either we think that these cows of Bashan who will be lifted up on hooks in future (instead of being lifted in other , comfortable ways at present moment), etc., are pure metaphors having nothing in common with things Amos knew iin real life (this idea would contradict to quite vivid, detailed and concrete picture of these women and peculiarities of their life), or we must recognize that there were really such women in Samaria. This question has nothing in common with any religious matter or matter of faith. That's why I can't see why you mention these matters.

It was not a matter of my interest in starting post , if Amos was a good or bad man , though I definitely dislike the Israel prophets and like those Israeli and Judean people who, according to these prophets themselves, sharply criticized them and disliked their teachings. Anyone has a full right to have any religion. And anyone has a full right to condemn any religion. One can prefer kings Jehu and Josiah, another can prefer kings Ahab and Manasseh. I just don't think that this question is to be discussed here, and my topic starting post didn't touch these questions.
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