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Olga01:
1. I'm not dealing with religion. I quoted analysis of Old Testament text just as one of many ancient texts,

2. Losch, whose comments I have presented, is religious man , religious teacher and even priest himself. The scholars, whose comments I have presented, are secular scholars. But are they think about the women from this text the same that Losch thinks .

Different opinions exist only on the precise meaning of threats to these women. I quoted some explanations with arguments (not my ones) in favor of them. If you have other plausible interpretations of this meaning, you are strongly welcomed to tell them, just as any other men who has any opinion on this point.

Beachside Farmer:
From what I have gathered you were hoping to have an educational discussion when it comes to ancient times that may be combined with religious aspects.

Unfortunately a lot of people are not going to want to have this conversation. Some conversations are best for Chan users.


It's very simple. One who doesn't want to have this or that conversation, doesn't participate in it. Nobody compels him/her/them/it to read it, nor to participate.
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Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.
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And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.


I definitely think that 1962 was not several centuries ago
E.g.
archive.org/details/manhisdestinying0000sgfb
This book by a pious specialist in religions it's not about males, it's about mankind / human beings.
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Extreme ssbbw admiration in ot

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And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.

Olga01:
I definitely think that 1962 was not several centuries ago
E.g.
archive.org/details/manhisdestinying0000sgfb
This book by a pious specialist in religions it's not about males, it's about mankind / human beings.


Hun, English is not your first language. This is something you should refer to the experts.

In every day English "men" is not used as a generalized was of addressing a specific person. It has not been used in that way for a very, very long time.
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Olga01:
Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.


Hi. I'm Christian. What is your point?

It's called basic human decency. If something is not your religion, don't be rude about it - especially when it is clear that you do not understand the ins and outs of it.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.
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Olga01:
Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.

Munchies:
Hi. I'm Christian. What is your point?

It's called basic human decency. If something is not your religion, don't be rude about it - especially when it is clear that you do not understand the ins and outs of it.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.


Not every discussion or mention of a passage from a “holy book” is about religion or religious interpretation. Especially the OT has been used frequently as a reference to the history and culture of the Middle East and its tribes. It is also a historical text existing in historical context! I found the mention of the ancient SSBBWs interesting and it was news to me. So I learned something. What was not new to me was the abysmal, hypocritical and mysoginistic treatment of these women at the hands of religious fanatics, hence my dislike of religion!
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And yes, saying "man" is obsolete by several centuries.

Olga01:
I definitely think that 1962 was not several centuries ago
E.g.
archive.org/details/manhisdestinying0000sgfb
This book by a pious specialist in religions it's not about males, it's about mankind / human beings.

Munchies:
Hun, English is not your first language. This is something you should refer to the experts.

In every day English "men" is not used as a generalized was of addressing a specific person. It has not been used in that way for a very, very long time.


I agree fully, and I have apologized for this mistake, I just say that the change took place not centurIES ago.
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Olga01:
Munchies:.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.


I suppose there's some misunderstanding here.
I quoted some biblical passages as a testimony of acceptance of very large women of certain dimensions in society described by Amos (or in its elite). Just as I could quote biblical mention of bears in Israel as testimony of their presence in Palestine in first millennium BC. This usage of biblical info has nothing in common with any religious matter of faith. Either we think that these cows of Bashan who will be lifted up on hooks in future (instead of being lifted in other , comfortable ways at present moment), etc., are pure metaphors having nothing in common with things Amos knew iin real life (this idea would contradict to quite vivid, detailed and concrete picture of these women and peculiarities of their life), or we must recognize that there were really such women in Samaria. This question has nothing in common with any religious matter or matter of faith. That's why I can't see why you mention these matters.

It was not a matter of my interest in starting post , if Amos was a good or bad man , though I definitely dislike the Israel prophets and like those Israeli and Judean people who, according to these prophets themselves, sharply criticized them and disliked their teachings. Anyone has a full right to have any religion. And anyone has a full right to condemn any religion. One can prefer kings Jehu and Josiah, another can prefer kings Ahab and Manasseh. I just don't think that this question is to be discussed here, and my topic starting post didn't touch these questions.
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Olga01:
Munchies:
If you are discussing things in a religion's Holy Book, you are discussing the religion. Same with the Quran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, or the Book of Shadows.

Oh, really. And if one says that mention of Israeli bears and chariots in Old Testament prove that there were bears and chariots in iron age Israel, it means discussing the religion. The Holy Book , I conclude, has a magic to make a religious matter of any thing mentioned in it and referred to in any context?

And if one says that mention of feet, pounds and inches in mathematician textbook of 19th century proves that these measures of length and weight were in usage at this time, it means discussing mathematics, because mathematician textbook makes mathematics of all things mentioned in it. Etc.

In any case, no one is obliged to recognize any scripture of any religion to be really 'Holy'. It depends on his personal faith.

Munchies:
Hi. I'm Christian. What is your point?

It's called basic human decency. If something is not your religion, don't be rude about it - especially when it is clear that you do not understand the ins and outs of it.

I don't care if you are not Christian. I don't care if you have critiques of my faith. I do care if you are boldly making claims on things without understanding the text. Now knock it off.

Bigdoug:
Not every discussion or mention of a passage from a “holy book” is about religion or religious interpretation. Especially the OT has been used frequently as a reference to the history and culture of the Middle East and its tribes. It is also a historical text existing in historical context! I found the mention of the ancient SSBBWs interesting and it was news to me. So I learned something. What was not new to me was the abysmal, hypocritical and mysoginistic treatment of these women at the hands of religious fanatics, hence my dislike of religion!


I am aware not every mention of the OT is about religion. However it becomes about religion when we start interpreting the texts about what certain things meant. This is when we get into apologetics.
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If I may, let me say that both sides are too defensive in this discussion.
@OP shared some quotations from the bible which show the author's condemn to fat women, but it could have been anybody, since he didn't condemn the fatness as such but the means it was achieved. My biblical hebrew is slightly above null so I won't dare to translate further, on the other side I don't think the OP meant to start a religious war there, she had just quoted the bible because that's what she found. Later she quoted some islamic texts as well.
@Munchies, I thought "a man" can refer to a human being, good to know, I won't make that mistake again.
There's a Chinese book, called "Legend of the Condor Shooting heroes", and there's a scene which suggests that Chinese people from the time of Yin and Song dynasties hated fat women, but again this will be a simplification.
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