Maximum wrote
In this aspect, we're fighting ourselves as much as we are society. Its not enough for most people to be fat, especially when governments will decree it as an "epidemic" like we are a plague which needs to be wiped out. We need to show the world that fat is as normal a variation in humans as tall or short or black or white.
I think this is what we should be focusing more on in the fight for fat acceptance, not "there are lots of us so you got to put up with us" it should be more "There is nothing wrong with us, we are as normal as anyone else so stop making out that we are some blight on humanity"
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You're quite right, Max. Beautifully put.
I do think that numbers matter, but you're correct that until we figure out how to get currently and future fat people to feel ok about their size, there is no movement. But all movements have to deal with internalised self-hatred--it is in some ways the biggest problem any identity-based movement faces.
Perhaps we should start a new thread? It's a good idea, Max. Why don't you?
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Usually people posting from phones, I *think*
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I have cut off friendships the way you did, Marshmellow. Almost never, but it has happened.
I think some things are so bad that you can't forgive them. I wouldn't punish anyone for saying such things, but I have very little time in this life, and I don't share it wantonly, and especially not with cruel people.
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Maximum wrote
Sexuality is another issue which struggles to be more then a joke in movies, yet the fight has only really started along with the societal movement, and they still have a way to go.
Hmmmm. My daughter spends a lot of time watching queer-themed movies, and I've seen a number of very good ones with her, including some big budget successes like *Boys Don't Cry*. I think sexuality has made huge strides--there's still a very long way to go, but a lot has been accomplished since Stonewall. [
]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots]Maximum wrote
Size is behind all of these as its only become well known recently. 10 - 15 years ago the average person would not have known what size acceptance even is, yet its becoming more present these days and will continue to in years to come. Once society is able to better accept size as just another difference in humanity, then it will be more realistic to expect Hollywood to reflect the same.
The big difference between us and all the other issues is that we have the numbers on our side. We need to find a way to say out loud, in public, what we always bang on about here: most people in the US are fat, and other industrialised nations are catching up at impressive, though varied, rates. The world is fattening. We are not just a 'minority'.
Now if only we could figure out how to ACT like that and demand equal space, both figuratively and literally.
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I'm intrigued that there is a gendered divide, and a fat divide, in the responses here. OK, it's not a statistically significant sample, not even of our quirky membership, but still, I feel 100% as chubbyhoney does, and I find Max and Seth's approach cavalier, somehow. Maybe it comes from living on the wrong side of pressure, either from being female or fat or the combination?
@Seth: if you tried to make Avatar using the tech you have available at college/university, it would be impenetrable. That's not a great way to judge what's possible, though I take your point about subtracting being easier than adding.
Given basic principles of inclusion, though, you'd think it would seem like a reasonable idea to hire fat actors for fat roles.
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Here's a link to a thread in General. I didn't want to hijack the thread--I said my piece and left it at that. But I wanted to open a conversation here about fat suits.
Do you find them offensive? why? if not, why not? For example, why not use a fat actress and cgi her skinny when required?
Some years back I knew a student who was writing a Masters Thesis on fat suit uses, andB I was quite convinced by her argument that it can't be pushed aside. But that's me.
Any thoughts?
xxJ
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The guys who get answers from me ask me something from my I Seek U. One great one recently, the best in quite a while, said something like 'I don't blame you for being tired of liars and scoundrels. And scoundrel is a word trhat should be used more often.' *This* was a good first pm.
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My dears,
For anyone who looked for the Soiree tonight, my sincerest apologies. I have that cotton-brained cold thing happening, and I thought it was Saturday instead of Sunday. Ugh. Truly sorry, and pretty embarrassed.
Do you all want to have the Soiree the next two weekends? I'm happy to show up, unlike this week, and pour drinks, but if everyone's going to be with fam and friends and not online, then we'll wait until the 9th. What say you all?
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1) This is not a weightgain topic.
2) Please do not post the same post in different forums. This one appears in General as well. One of the threads should be removed, and I suspect one will be removed by a moderator.
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Please don't post the same post twice in different forums.
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