Religion ended my relationship
d12123 wrote:
To be fair, my over-the-top reaction was provided because Kamina went on a rampage, seeking to dismiss what were essentially personal ideas offered by other posters here
- and I don't take anyone who doesn't check the spelling of the very idea that they are advocating seriously...
But to respond to Onigumo, you will know simply by going to University and being exposed to methods of research that are evidence-based that evolutionary science is built based on the idea of proof - and it certainly tries to explain fundamental ideas about the development of life with more proof than "well in a book that some dude who talked to some guy who nobody else could see at the time, the world was created in 6 days" - naturally ideas are challenged - and my views certainly can be, but my study of evolution and my acceptance of it as an explanation for life as we know it comes from a combination of carbon dating, which confirms that the Earth itself is at least 60,000 years old - and through the results of studies into rock formations and fossil studies, which demonstrate that there was life that existed prior to Human development. These ideas can be challenged, but at least I've offered some kind of justification...
I hope it can be seen that:
* an idea is developed
* research is conducted
* if the results confirm the idea, then the published results need to stand up to peer review before gaining widespread support.
The reality is that conclusive "research" on intelligent design hasn't been completed to a scientific standard AND there isn't much other than faith and the Bible to back up Kamina's claim...
I hope that clarifies my position
OniGumo wrote:
[quote]d12123 wrote:
[quote] Onigumo said:
By reacting like this you discredit your own argument. I'm a biology major and nearing the end of my Bachelor level studies, and so I've taken an entire course dedicated to the study of evolution as an explanation for bio-diversity. I also happen to be Christian, I won't say I'm devout because that's not exactly true but I am a firm believer. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in evolution, in fact I think that evolution and Intelligent Design go hand in hand quite well. If you don't believe me then read the first chapter of Genesis and then compare it to the Theory of Evolution.
Also, as a non-denominational christian I tend to have a poor view on organized religion based on its history. Just a side bar.
[quote]d12123 wrote:
[quote] Onigumo said:
By reacting like this you discredit your own argument. I'm a biology major and nearing the end of my Bachelor level studies, and so I've taken an entire course dedicated to the study of evolution as an explanation for bio-diversity. I also happen to be Christian, I won't say I'm devout because that's not exactly true but I am a firm believer. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in evolution, in fact I think that evolution and Intelligent Design go hand in hand quite well. If you don't believe me then read the first chapter of Genesis and then compare it to the Theory of Evolution.
Also, as a non-denominational christian I tend to have a poor view on organized religion based on its history. Just a side bar.
To be fair, my over-the-top reaction was provided because Kamina went on a rampage, seeking to dismiss what were essentially personal ideas offered by other posters here
- and I don't take anyone who doesn't check the spelling of the very idea that they are advocating seriously...But to respond to Onigumo, you will know simply by going to University and being exposed to methods of research that are evidence-based that evolutionary science is built based on the idea of proof - and it certainly tries to explain fundamental ideas about the development of life with more proof than "well in a book that some dude who talked to some guy who nobody else could see at the time, the world was created in 6 days" - naturally ideas are challenged - and my views certainly can be, but my study of evolution and my acceptance of it as an explanation for life as we know it comes from a combination of carbon dating, which confirms that the Earth itself is at least 60,000 years old - and through the results of studies into rock formations and fossil studies, which demonstrate that there was life that existed prior to Human development. These ideas can be challenged, but at least I've offered some kind of justification...
I hope it can be seen that:
* an idea is developed
* research is conducted
* if the results confirm the idea, then the published results need to stand up to peer review before gaining widespread support.
The reality is that conclusive "research" on intelligent design hasn't been completed to a scientific standard AND there isn't much other than faith and the Bible to back up Kamina's claim...
I hope that clarifies my position
Just to clarify myself, I am not a Young Earth Creationist, I believe the earth is around 4.6 billion years old. So that also means I don't believe that everything was created in 6 days, at least not as humans perceive days. There are multiple passages in the bible that suggest time is completely irrelevant to the divine.
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13 years
