Enas:
The definition of love is one of my favorite topics so allow me to jump on that boat as well.
Just a warning, I've never been into a serious relationship so far. I also understand that my view might seem to be very extreme in this neoliberal (for the most part i assume) enviroment.
What is love? The answer is that it's a feeling we've developed as a *social* pieces (thats important because not all animals... love the same) because it helped us survive. It's in our *human nature*! It's also important to note that this is not catholic, it's not apsolute.
Okay but how do i Vew it? Well, i think it's a human need. For example, and I'll use myself, I can't function properly without being loved. I really need someone to care for me and give me some attention. But it's not something i only wanna receive, but something i also feel the need, like i have a duty, to give back. And not in just one person. I have a very bad time lately, because i cant bring myself to enjoy anything that is not helping other people. I need, i really need to make people's lives better and in fact im disgusted by how, in our college, the way they teach us that subject is disconnected from making something for other *human beings* but exclusively something to provide us with profits!
And love should not be seen like something that people get because they deserve it, but because they need it. And for that, im trying to do my best at, attempting at least, to feel love about *everyone*. Im failing miserably now, but i think it's the way forward.
Btw i hope i wrote my points well and please... Pleeease criticize it if you have the time. I litteraly beg you, unironicaly, to comment on it!
PolyPinoyPuppy:
Talk of duty reminds me of hard lessons.
I used to have an unhealthily self-sacrificing attitude toward even casual acquaintances. It took a long time to realize that I couldn't please everyone, and it wasn't my responsibility to read minds or predict people's desires.
I adore helping people still. I love giving gifts, and part of my attraction to being a feeder comes from the desire to spoil and nurture someone's growth and happiness.
And perhaps almost everyone needs love, or even deserves it--but it took me too long to realize that it was okay for me to not be the one to provide that love, or helpfulness, or even kindness.
I am human. I make mistakes. I am limited. To say otherwise is deluded or arrogant. And so I accept that some people's needs and desires are beyond my capability to provide--and it might always be so despite the possibility for growth on my part. I may try--if I feel I will find joy in the effort--but I will not see it as a failing if I cannot reach those heights.
To recognize these limitations and to accept them is part of a very important kind of love: self-love. To then set those expectations and boundaries based on what you can provide is a furthering of self-love as well as a means of showing compassion and openness to others. To do so requires vulnerability, and its reward is a greater understanding on everyone's part of what is realistically possible in a given situation. An empty promise of absolute devotion is only worth as much as wind. Better to make promises you can keep to those who will truly appreciate what humble gifts you can give.
I strongly agree with a chunk of what you're saying here. I think that it whould be very unhealthy to have an absolute devotion to any one person. However we're not talking about the same thing i belive. Your point of view feels especially individualized. I'm not in that page. I think that love *could* be the driving force of humanity (people think that "it doesn't work"
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And for me, love is not only between two individuals, altho what you feel there IS love! But love is also what pushes us to do good things and most importantly, take care of other people.
What i disagree strongly with is self-love. In my judgement it's apsolutely toxic and it's a product of what i tried to explain in my previous reply. I won't follow it one bit, however that doesn't mean that everything is fine, quite the opposite. If everything was fine there whould be no space for self-love to be useful for.
We live in a dystopia. The worst one we've ever come up with.