My biggest fantasy is to reach a point in my gain where not only am I unable to lose weight no matter how genuinely hard I try, but I can’t even stop myself from piling on more and more pounds. A point where no amount of effort put into diet and exercise could stop my gain or even meaningfully slow it down, and I’m destined to become morbidly obese no matter what I do to try to stop it. I put “uncontrollable” in quote marks only because in this situation, I would have done it to myself on purpose at first. The idea is that after that initial push, it would leave my control entirely (except for that I could speed up the gain by intentionally leaning into it). I have thought about this for years and am sure I’d like to go through with it.
Here’s the problem: even though I’ve finally reached a point where I don’t lose weight when not paying attention to my diet, I still have to put in significant effort in order to gain more. Additionally, I think that if I tried, I could lose it all without even putting in very much effort.
For those of you who have reached a point where you feel like you can’t stop yourselves, how did you do it? If you haven’t reached that point, but have ideas as to how it would be possible, I’d love to hear those, too.
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I always used to yo-yo about 15 pounds, but then when I gained 30 it stuck. That was without any heavy cream, so I think it’s just a matter of the size of the gain.
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To my knowledge, Periactin is prescribed for three things- allergies, low appetite, and migraines. It’s just a matter of having and/or convincingly pretending to have one of those three things, and then convincing the doctor to prescribe the specific medication instead of a different one for the same condition. Out of them, I think that migraines would probably be easiest to fake.
What I would recommend is that, whichever condition you have/are faking, you tell the doctor you heard of Periactin from a friend who took it for the same condition and was happy with the results. For example, “My friend Bob has migraines and he says that Periacrin has helped with them a lot without many side effects, so I would like to try it for my migraines, too.”
This may be best saved for a second visit unless the doctor brings medication up to you themself. What I would recommend is to first go and just say “I have migraines,” and then wait a while before going back and saying “My migraines are really bothering me and they won’t go away, so I asked people what helped them, and they said this medicine helped and I want to try it.” Be sure you’ve done research and know the symptoms of migraines accurately so you can convincingly say you have them.
Of course, if you actually do have one of the aforementioned conditions, you don’t need to lie. Just say you either are unhappy with your current medicine or want to start taking medicine when you haven’t before, and then say a friend recommended Periactin because it helped them.
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finickyfeedee:
I tried out getting my venti with only 1 extra pump of syrup today, and then putting in several sugar packs. Unfortunately, it tastes absolutely terrible. I can see now why so many people say cream is tough to get down, I thought Starbucks’ poor quality espresso would be the source of any taste problem but the cream itself has such a strong taste without all the sweetness masking it that the espresso’s flavor is barely noticeable. I’ll have to go back to at least several extra pumps, but at least that’s still plenty of calories. I do intend to drink all of the one I bought since it would be a shame to waste all that cream, but it’s not tasty and goes down a little scratchy in my throat so it’s difficult.
I think it’s probably mostly psychological and/or bloating, but this morning I certainly did feel a little bigger. Including both the latte and all my other food, I managed to consume about 3700 calories yesterday, which was difficult but not my most ever since I didn’t have the whole day (or even most of it) free to eat. My goal is to eat at minimum 2000 calories per day in addition to the drink, preferably more. My maintenance requirement is a little over 1700, so the excess ought to add up nicely over time, as much as it can without time for real stuffings, anyway. If I can manage to never fall short on my regular eating, I should get a 300 calorie surplus on no-coffee days and a 2000 calorie surplus on coffee days. With three coffees a week, that would be 7200 surplus calories weekly, which should be a little over two pounds a week, even if I never exceed my minimum calorie goal! And believe me, I intend to exceed that goal whenever I have the time and can force down more food.
I’m going to wait at least until next week to weigh in, but my starting weight was 130. I haven’t got a final weight goal in mind for this particular experiment, I’ll just go until I’m either happy with the results, out of coffee money, or sick and tired of the drinks. I do hope to gain at least 10 pounds total, but it isn’t a set in stone goal, as I may well decide to go heavier or have to stop early for financial reasons. I know cream sometimes has a delayed effect- that’s one of the things I’m looking forward to most, the feeling of deciding to stop but still packing on more pounds anyway.
becomingoverweight:
Well I wish you luck with your gains.
Thank you! I finished the drink, which took a while, but that’s alright because I don’t have much access to food during class hours so it didn’t stop me from eating other things. It did make me awfully nauseous though. I might need to try working up from a smaller portion over time.
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finickyfeedee:
That’s really odd, and thanks! I’ll see if I can handle it with a little less syrup, then, though I wouldn’t want to go too low on the syrup since I do need it for the taste.
becomingoverweight:
It's not a big loss in calories, about 20 per fl. oz. Though you'd get less healthy dairy fat and more unhealthy sugar so it's a tradeoff. You could potentially add your own sweetener after you get your coffee or some other flavoring.
I tried out getting my venti with only 1 extra pump of syrup today, and then putting in several sugar packs. Unfortunately, it tastes absolutely terrible. I can see now why so many people say cream is tough to get down, I thought Starbucks’ poor quality espresso would be the source of any taste problem but the cream itself has such a strong taste without all the sweetness masking it that the espresso’s flavor is barely noticeable. I’ll have to go back to at least several extra pumps, but at least that’s still plenty of calories. I do intend to drink all of the one I bought since it would be a shame to waste all that cream, but it’s not tasty and goes down a little scratchy in my throat so it’s difficult.
I think it’s probably mostly psychological and/or bloating, but this morning I certainly did feel a little bigger. Including both the latte and all my other food, I managed to consume about 3700 calories yesterday, which was difficult but not my most ever since I didn’t have the whole day (or even most of it) free to eat. My goal is to eat at minimum 2000 calories per day in addition to the drink, preferably more. My maintenance requirement is a little over 1700, so the excess ought to add up nicely over time, as much as it can without time for real stuffings, anyway. If I can manage to never fall short on my regular eating, I should get a 300 calorie surplus on no-coffee days and a 2000 calorie surplus on coffee days. With three coffees a week, that would be 7200 surplus calories weekly, which should be a little over two pounds a week, even if I never exceed my minimum calorie goal! And believe me, I intend to exceed that goal whenever I have the time and can force down more food.
I’m going to wait at least until next week to weigh in, but my starting weight was 130. I haven’t got a final weight goal in mind for this particular experiment, I’ll just go until I’m either happy with the results, out of coffee money, or sick and tired of the drinks. I do hope to gain at least 10 pounds total, but it isn’t a set in stone goal, as I may well decide to go heavier or have to stop early for financial reasons. I know cream sometimes has a delayed effect- that’s one of the things I’m looking forward to most, the feeling of deciding to stop but still packing on more pounds anyway.
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finickyfeedee:This is confusing, honestly. The hazelnut syrup is apparently 20 calories per 2 tablespoons as per the same site, which is the same amount you’d mentioned each pump having, which is why I’d assumed they were roughly equivalent:
mobile.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/starbucks/hazelnut-syrupSo either one or both of us have our units wrong, or one or both of the sites has the calories wrong. I wish there was more clarity out there on this, you’d think people trying to gain weight and people trying to lose weight would want it.
I hope it’s clear I’m not trying to be argumentative here, I appreciate you discussing it with me!
becomingoverweight:That's odd, that site has the wrong values. They both have 80 calories per 2 tablespoons according to Starbucks. Just check the syrups they sell on Amazon:
HazelnutCinnamon DolceIt's clear you're not being argumentative. You're welcome!
That’s really odd, and thanks! I’ll see if I can handle it with a little less syrup, then, though I wouldn’t want to go too low on the syrup since I do need it for the taste.
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finickyfeedee:I don’t know how it translates to fl. oz, but most sites I have found list a pump as 2 tablespoons or 30 mL. Here’s an example of what kind of sites I’ve been looking at:
mobile.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/starbucks/cinnamon-dolce-syrupbecomingoverweight:One fl.oz. is 2 tablespoons. Also, that doesn't say each pump is 2 tablespoons, it says the nutritional information for 2 tablespoons of syrup.
This is confusing, honestly. The hazelnut syrup is apparently 20 calories per 2 tablespoons as per the same site, which is the same amount you’d mentioned each pump having, which is why I’d assumed they were roughly equivalent:
mobile.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/starbucks/cinnamon-dolce-syrupSo either one or both of us have our units wrong, or one or both of the sites has the calories wrong. I wish there was more clarity out there on this, you’d think people trying to gain weight and people trying to lose weight would want it.
I hope it’s clear I’m not trying to be argumentative here, I appreciate you discussing it with me!
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finickyfeedee:That’s good to know, I’ll have to update my math. Thanks! The syrups I get range from 60-80 calories per pump though (I don’t get the same flavor every time but all the ones I get are in that range), so it will still be a net increase in calories, just a smaller increase than I had previously calculated. I should have specified, I think Starbucks’ syrups range from 0 to 90 calories so it is definitely relevant which one you use!
becomingoverweight:According to
this on page 6, Starbucks doesn't have syrups that caloric. Each pump only adds 0.25 fl. oz. of syrup.
I don’t know how it translates to fl. oz, but most sites I have found list a pump as 2 tablespoons or 30 mL. Here’s an example of what kind of sites I’ve been looking at:
mobile.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/starbucks/cinnamon-dolce-syrup
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I think we all know here that diets with high carbs and sugars lead to more visceral fat and diets with fats like cream lead to subcutaneous fat, but does anyone know the ratios necessary for these effects?
I don’t think it would be possible for me to eat a low sugar diet but I could eat a high sugar and even higher fat diet, and I doubt anyone could eat a 0 sugar diet, so how exactly does fat distribution work with these different foods combined? In other words, if you eat a roughly equal amount of carbs and fats, do you gain a roughly equal amount of SAT and VAT? Does one have a more powerful effect on weight distribution than the other? Is one more likely than the other to be stored as fat rather than being used for energy first?
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finickyfeedee:Thank you for the information, it’s very helpful! I’ll definitely be trying this. Unfortunately, I can’t stand cold coffee, so I’ll have to get hot, but with the large amount of extra syrup I usually get added to it, even the hot latte ought to come to around 2454 calories.
Today I got a grande to test out if I liked the taste and could keep it down, and I definitely can. It tastes exactly like a whole milk latte, which I wasn’t expecting, but am happy with. Tomorrow I’ll get the venti!
With my current schedule, I ought to be able to do this 2 or 3 times a week and can keep going until my coffee budget runs out. If I get coffee three times a week and/or can manage to eat even just 300 calories per day over my weight maintenance requirement in my non-coffee diet, I should be able to gain 2 or more pounds per week. A lot of people buy their coffee drinks with heavy cream here for keto, not realizing how many calories there really are in them, so no one will suspect a thing. I’ll post an update if it works. Here’s hoping for at least 10 new pounds!
becomingoverweight:You're welcome! Also, I had a typo in the second to last paragraph. I meant to say "unoptimized", not "optimized". Also according to
this, each pump of syrup is 1/4 fluid ounces. So the more pumps you get, the less heavy cream you get, I think. As such each pump removes 25.65625 calories of heavy cream. The hazelnut syrup has 20 calories per pump. So you'll probably lose a small amount of calories.
That’s good to know, I’ll have to update my math. Thanks! The syrups I get range from 60-80 calories per pump though (I don’t get the same flavor every time but all the ones I get are in that range), so it will still be a net increase in calories, just a smaller increase than I had previously calculated. I should have specified, I think Starbucks’ syrups range from 0 to 90 calories so it is definitely relevant which one you use!
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