How to deal with negativity

Morbidly A Beast:
You made a wild jump.

I just said that people are conscious actors, and are able to discern actions. You jumped to some very odd view that all people are evil and people aren’t conscious actors that points to your very totalitarian Marxist view

The individual and the collective are not in a dialectical tension that is the error of capitalism and communism.[/quote]

People are aware to an extremely limiting degree about the world around them. For example, most people in the western world think they live in a democracy. This is false, there is no seblence of democracy in the level of state organization in the world. Or at least i havent managed to identify one.

If people are delusional about something so importand how are they gonna be aware enough to be able to see through things in their day to day lives, when they will have even less time per-thing to analyze?

There are 2 questions that illustrate my point.

What do you think bigotry is?

And how is it so common for people to feel, almost automatically, negativity when they experience it?
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How to deal with negativity

Shadowmike:
Do the work mentally. This whole site and fetish is chock full of horrible people and it sucks. Everyone has walls and goals and it just makes no sense. There are thousands of feedees and not enough feeders etc to keep up anymore. It's a rotten situation no one wants to talk about.


Uuh.. Walls, goals, no sense? What do you mean?
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How to deal with negativity

Enas:
I was not talking about political beliefs at all here! I was talking more in how people live their every day lives. I remember i had seen the phrase but i cant recall where, "People dont live their lives, theyre just reacting to them". Which means every day Behavior is not the result of a logical thought process but instead is the result of people reacting instantly without thinking at all, so the quality of the behavior will corespond to that.

Reactionaries are people who do that in their political lives too, instead of only in their every day ones.

Morbidly A Beast:
I don’t think that is correct I believe human beings are capable of discerning their actions and are morally culpable for their actions, it’s not just reaction to stimuli

Head asses like the ones who critiqued our friend here after gaining a few lbs saw that they had gained weight and wanted to tease them thinking they might be motivated to lose weight cause they care about them, presumably, but this is wrong headed. And should be called out as it, bullying.


Well, you might believe that but what do you actually know that can support it?

On the other hand, i know that at least there is a pretty good argument suporting the position that ordinary people are Evil: ?si=zVG8EjTJ95-i9Gaa

Furthermore, to answer to your i see all the time that people are delusional, they are not aware of the actual reality. They prefer to believe happy lies than, at least attempt to confront their material situation. They make excuses, they get defensive when they know they cant form a good argument. They fully accept the passive ideology that society pushes onto them.

To put it bluntly, most people are pure shit.

Its, unfortunately, right as Marx put it. On one pole there is the acumulation of wealth. And on the other pole there is the acumulation of mysery and mental degredation.

People can learn to have the qualities you mentioned, of course! But... where do you see them being practiced?

And by the way, calling people out, in situations like this does have an immediate positive outcome, but it also has a negative one. And its that it does not actually solve the problems, but its seen as something that does! So the actual problems (that generate bigotry, in general) remain mostly unnoticed!

Its not enough to reduce fatphobes to head asses,because they are the result of far larger underlying problems.
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How to deal with negativity

Morbidly A Beast:
being ridiculed for being fat is just a shitty behavior, it doesn’t mean the person doing so has reactionary politics, it’s probably more likely as reactionaries tend to be more bigoted (it’s there disagreeableness personality trait) but I have seen a lot of fatphobia hurled by self described progressives about xyz people it’s just a shitty way to communicate.

I feel like just being a good person matters more than what politics one believes, unless your politics actively harm another group,


I was not talking about political beliefs at all here! I was talking more in how people live their every day lives. I remember i had seen the phrase but i cant recall where, "People dont live their lives, theyre just reacting to them". Which means every day Behavior is not the result of a logical thought process but instead is the result of people reacting instantly without thinking at all, so the quality of the behavior will corespond to that.

Reactionaries are people who do that in their political lives too, instead of only in their every day ones.
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How to deal with negativity

Sweetannaxxl:
Took a small break from doing anything, and visiting the site due to some criticism from outside sources. It really took a toll on me and made me feel negatively about myself. I have gained a substantial amount of weight in a relatively small timeframe and must have come as a shock to my peers, which prompted some discomfort in conversation. My question i guess is how do I deal with this? I have no genuine interest in losing the weight, I know it won’t make me happy, but being ridiculed for my size is ridiculous. Does anyone have any good tips for shrugging it off?

Munchies:
So, I want to add a little bit of nuance to this conversation.

If you are getting very fat very quickly, it's normal to be concerned. Sudden rapid weight gain is usually not a good sign of things. Usually, people think severe depression or illness. It may be good to reassess how fast you're gaining as rapid gains are not sustainable and can lead to later weight loss.



No amount of concern excuses any kind of body shaming or bullying. Since these are your friends, be honest with them. Tell them how you feel about what they are saying and doing. If they are really your friends, they will respect this. If not, then these are not people you need in your life.

Morbidly A Beast:
This is the correct take. Its times like this i wish i could react to a forum post without typing out a message

Enas:
I have made a suggestion to the site owner that kind of includes that (altho not for its own sake)

Munchie's take is not sufficient. Everyone else's takes are not even serious.

Neoliberal individualism leads in a toxic atomization where its not appropriate to care for other people's businesses.

Also, very few people are actually capable of that in the first place. Most are acting in a reactionary manner.

Morbidly A Beast:
So neoliberalism leads to sweetannaxxl (sorry for butchering your name) being bullied for a change in weight and appearance or neoliberalism leads to atomization that sweet (for short!) will feel for? It’s just an incomplete sentence? What you’re saying might be true but how does that relate to what sweet is communicating?


I mentioned the atomization because it is one very flawed way to think, and what WeirdoOnArt wrote kind of illustrates an example of it.

Not being interested in other people's sizes, that is. Its one among many things that together make a person. If you dont care about that too, you dont care about the person fully. Which is not really a bad thing, in my view.

The bad criticisms the OP mentioned is not an example of caring, but an example of reacting.
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How to deal with negativity

Sweetannaxxl:
Took a small break from doing anything, and visiting the site due to some criticism from outside sources. It really took a toll on me and made me feel negatively about myself. I have gained a substantial amount of weight in a relatively small timeframe and must have come as a shock to my peers, which prompted some discomfort in conversation. My question i guess is how do I deal with this? I have no genuine interest in losing the weight, I know it won’t make me happy, but being ridiculed for my size is ridiculous. Does anyone have any good tips for shrugging it off?

Munchies:
So, I want to add a little bit of nuance to this conversation.

If you are getting very fat very quickly, it's normal to be concerned. Sudden rapid weight gain is usually not a good sign of things. Usually, people think severe depression or illness. It may be good to reassess how fast you're gaining as rapid gains are not sustainable and can lead to later weight loss.



No amount of concern excuses any kind of body shaming or bullying. Since these are your friends, be honest with them. Tell them how you feel about what they are saying and doing. If they are really your friends, they will respect this. If not, then these are not people you need in your life.

Morbidly A Beast:
This is the correct take. Its times like this i wish i could react to a forum post without typing out a message


I have made a suggestion to the site owner that kind of includes that (altho not for its own sake)

Munchie's take is not sufficient. Everyone else's takes are not even serious.

Neoliberal individualism leads in a toxic atomization where its not appropriate to care for other people's businesses.

Also, very few people are actually capable of that in the first place. Most are acting in a reactionary manner.
10 months

How to deal with negativity

Sweetannaxxl:
Took a small break from doing anything, and visiting the site due to some criticism from outside sources. It really took a toll on me and made me feel negatively about myself. I have gained a substantial amount of weight in a relatively small timeframe and must have come as a shock to my peers, which prompted some discomfort in conversation. My question i guess is how do I deal with this? I have no genuine interest in losing the weight, I know it won’t make me happy, but being ridiculed for my size is ridiculous. Does anyone have any good tips for shrugging it off?


First of all, can you put in clear words how you feel megatively about yourself?
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Ff user who ruins people?

Piggy Teaser:
Whatever is making you feel powerless in your life, that you need to attack strangers on the internet and try to present yourself as morally superior to them, as well as using infantilising language to belittle them, I really hope it gets better and that you work it all out xx

Munchies:
I'm fine sweetheart. Are you?

Nah, I'm talking about a situation I've seen time and time again on FF, Dimensions, and other kink spaces. People, men and women, who say they get off on ruining people's lives really do mean it.

I've seen people brag about how they systematically isolated their feedees as they made them fat. Telling them that no one but them would want them but them. Destroying their support network until the feeder is literally the only person in their lives.

Then they make it so their feedee literally cannot survive without them. They convince them to quit their jobs and focus on getting fat. Sometimes they ruin their health so much they literally need the feeder for all their needs. Often it's both.

Once all that happens, many feeders will bounce straight up once they grow bored. I'll never forget that one guy who proudly boasted that they abandoned their feedee in a nursing home because they got so fat it wasn't fun anymore.

So, would you like to try again?


There are women who do this to their feedees!?
11 months

Why does every guy i show interest in want to lose weight all of a sudden?? (rant)

HueOrdner:
Sorry, I need to blow off some steam here:

Absolutely every guy I show interest in tells me he wants to lose weight. Because you gotta lose weight if a pretty girl shows interest in you, otherwise you'll lose her, right? Some say it immediately, some mention it after a few dates.
For some reason 30kg seems to be the magic number here. It's the amount every guy wants to lose. Though, sometimes it's 50kg too.

If I know the guy a little better I will tell him that I find him attractive the way he is and that he doesn't have to lose weight for me, but it doesn't do anything. Once I even told a guy straight out on the first date that I'm not attracted to skinny people, but it didn't change much.

Maybe the guys really are doing it for themselves and that would be absolutely fine (although sad for me, haha), but to me it seems like they are doing it out of insecurity.
At this point with some guys any activities that involve food like eating out or cooking together stop being fun because they keep complaining about how fat they are and how much they are eating. Often without changing anything. Or they start eating very little and count calories. Other guys might avoid activities that include food as much as possible.

This makes me feel bad like myself. I am very happy with my body and eating habits right now, but I struggled with an eating disorder almost 10 years ago and I feel like this kind of behavior triggers me. It makes me wonder if I am also too fat and should diet too. It's such an awful feeling.

I don't want to be with someone who is so negative. I want to be with someone who enjoys life and likes to indulge in its pleasures.
But I can't seem to find someone like that. Am I just attracting dreadful people? Or are 99% of fat men just incredibly insecure?? I just want to be with someone who is self-confident and has a positive outlook on life.

And it's not like I'm against a guy staying fit. I obviously want them to be as healthy as possible.
I like being active myself. I love to dance and go for long walks or hikes. And of course I would like to do these activities with my partner. But I would like them to stay chubby while being active. I sometimes wish it was different, but skinny or muscular is just not my type. I wanna be with a guy who is like a sumo wrestler. Someone who is fat but still strong and fit.


One part of this might have to do with the covid. A lot of people might have gained unwanted weight with the lockdown and many might have not been bothered with loosing it right away.

(Also, i do am myself into extreme weight gain!)
11 months

Female fa's/feeders and gender expectations

Also i once talked with FFH (feemalefeederheaven) about gender roles and feedism roles (basically the same discussion, more or less, that we have here) and the conclusion we both arrived to is that traditional gender roles play, possibly, the biggest role in the (usually unconcious) decision to be a feeder or a feedee. That is an explenation to why such a large portion of women enter this fetish as feedees (rather than some more random / equal distribution). About Men, i think that it is a little more complicated. At least in my experience, the number of male feeders does not appear to be significantly larger (double or tripple) the number of male feedees. Also i see in a lot of cases (such as mine! ^_^) that men that have been feeders end up as feedees! That does not appear, to me, to be common in women. Instead i see that the oposite happens! Feedee women often turn into feeders!

I think the above is largely because of the gender stereotypes being unconciously broken / liquidated by the fetish! If thats true, then its an extremely interesting thing!

What do you all think?
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