Wow, that's some hard core libertarianism!
I disagree that legislation has only done harm. Women, African-Americans, people in wheelchairs, and many others got turned down for work routinely until there was anti-discrimination legislation. And while I know people say that all the time about affirmative action--which isn't the same as anti-discrimination legislation--I never saw it do anything but help an equally qualified candidate, as it was meant to.
I agree, however, that legislation is only a small piece of a huge, big, unwieldy puzzle. It definitely doesn't get at the roots, and it can only work in very blatant cases. As abeamt says, it's very difficult to prove anything.
But what *would* get rid of discrimination against fat people? or help shift it somewhat?
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I adore facial hair. Adoooooooore. Have never seen my partner of 30 years without his beard. And I like a little length more than very short--it's softer.
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I'm so pleased that people, and esp people I don't know or don't know well, want to keep up this conversation. I posted a question in the Improvements forum to see if people want to open a new forum--for those of you who feel one way or another about it, please do post your suggestion there.
For now, though, we can keep talking here. What do you all think about anti-discrimination legislation? (It has been passed in a few places in the US.)
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abeamt wrote
Really though, I would say that this site has a much better feel then a lot of the other FA forums. From Curvage, where a lot of the people are snobs, to Fat Forums, where it's so overwhelmingly sexual all of the time, I think this place has a really nice balance. As much as you guys find the men here to be creepy, my noob opinion is that this is the least creepy FA site out there.
Yep. Glad it seems that way to you, too.
And guys? Relax just a bit? There are some people, me included, who, while enjoying the occasional rant about the creeps, have always known that the good ones are here and in the mix. You think you got a worse rap than you did. The point of the thread was to encourage some of the people who know better to speak up, but they haven't yet. I know you're out there... *points chubby finger in your direction*
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Thanks for the thanks, Sethman and Moonchild. I think it's important for us, as Moonchild says, to be thinking and talking about these issues as a community. Some of us do, but many don't. I wonder how we start the conversation--any ideas?
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I think we need to factor in two things here, that we all know, but that have only come up tangentially in this thread so far:
1)We're talking about a multi-billion dollar industry. The last figures I saw were US$40 billion annually, and that's old data.
2) There are some very good theories to describe how the media affect our thinking, but I think many (most?) serious scholars believe that we are affected subconsciously, and the range of possible ideas is limited by what the media present.
If only we could get to some serious news presenter and get them to present the counter arguments to the obesity industry. <dreams>
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If you just google 'large size men's clothing UK' or something similar, you'll get answers. Jacamo is one nice place, and there are a number of others. Don't worry--be happy
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Your body will almost always 'want' to return to it's former (larger) size. If it feels good to you, by all means, go ahead.
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I just linked to that piece in a new thread I started--I'm SOOOOOO happy they interviewed you as their model feeder. It's about time people started realising we're complicated and multiple and don't all fit a single model.
Hooray!!! Go you. I, for one, am very grateful for all you do to put us out there in a positive and realistic light.
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