Do you just appreciate the community?

Jiggle Junkie:
I remain very grateful that so far FF is able to provide as much as it does to folks like me for free.


Now that you mention it, yes! I also am grateful that FF does all it does for free!
2 months

Do you just appreciate the community?

Morbidly A Beast:
This sounds like a bunch of word salad to justify people being hurt by overt racism.


It "sounds like", that is the argument? Really?

And no, its not! I dont think racism is rational to begin with. I dont want racism to do anything, because it always makes things worse, i know that!

I dont do nazi apologetics, i just think people focus exessively on the person who happens to be on the top and completely ignore the conditions that allowed him to be there. Thats dangerous! Same applies with the situation today. Are you aware of what the so called "think tanks" have done to US politics and how dangerous they were all along, for example? Ive never seen people complain about the control they exert onto politicians! Would i be a Trump apologist for saying that Trump was not the facilitator of all this crazyness?

I also tend to respect other people's needs and when they need me to stop doing something, i stop it. But that has to be communicated first you know?
2 months

Do you just appreciate the community?

Morbidly A Beast:
I’m not talking about hypothetical abuse I’m talking about actual reported abuse or like people being abusive for the world to see in a public space.

That’s why I likened it to women talking about being harassed. While it’s different the same actions should be taken.


The example i gave with moderators asking for proof is the most realisitic example i can think of.

I have a suspicion most of the abuse happens in private. That's because a lot of the time the abuse is narcissistic and narcissists are self-aware about not showing their true colors in public.

With public harassment things are very simple because everyone, aside from incels codnems it. No justification, or hell, not even an accusation needs to happen. Except for legal reasons (like so, police can arrest the person who harassed, if that is suposed to happen). Beyond that we'd talk about systemic problems.

I don't know why you bring twitter as an example, people there go through much more abuse, missinformation, etc.

Even offense can be justified. For example if you accuse someone of abuse, and that is a negative quality (which of course it is), that -definitionally- is an insult to his character. The fact that its true doesnt negate that. Why is this importand, though?

Because you *have* to judge if an offense is justified or not. That may be easy if you have first experience of the event that lead to the offense, but its hard if you dont. Most people judge with what feels right, not what is logically right.

All these details are why i think the rules are too shallow btw. They don’t consider all this nuance and its left to the mods' personal judgement ability, which no matter who the moderator is, it will always have room for improvement.

There is more to add too. For example i would really appreciate it if this community cared more for the mental health of its members in order to help them become resilient, rather than take an approach which leads to *only* catering to peoples inabilities, and often those inabilities compromise the social health of a community (leading to people being bitter about each other, etc)
2 months

Do you just appreciate the community?

Munchies:
TIL that Enas does not understand the difference between discrimination and consequences for bad behavior.

Learning things. Well, I suppose English is not your native language.


I made a distinction between the two. You ignored that?

Im always open to criticism, but i would like to be criticised for the things i actually do, not for the illusions other people might have about me...
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