Fair enough, in this case however wouldnt you agree that, its not honesty that is unhealthy, but the conditions in which honesty can be exercised do not enable people to be entierly honest?

For example, in ideal conditions you could have said to your mom that, its not something she should worry about but you cant tell her what exactly it is because it would be uncomfortable for you to say that to her.

What do you think?

Why!? O.o

I think that, maybe, people have an inherent motivation to be honest (And it shows, but only if its not obscured by other complications).

By the way, dont get me wrong! Im not saying that people are evil, and so they dont deserve care. First of all im the first person who would completely disregard the concept of justice, as it is usually applied here. (That people deserve or not, because of X, Y or Z).

I dont care about what people deserve, and i think its a toxic concept. I care for what people need, in terms of what will make them think in a way that will allow them to flourish as human beings. We are capable of rewiring our brains to think logically. Its not something that requires fancy equipment, but simply practice!

Morbidly A Beast:
You made a wild jump.

I just said that people are conscious actors, and are able to discern actions. You jumped to some very odd view that all people are evil and people aren’t conscious actors that points to your very totalitarian Marxist view

The individual and the collective are not in a dialectical tension that is the error of capitalism and communism.[/quote]

People are aware to an extremely limiting degree about the world around them. For example, most people in the western world think they live in a democracy. This is false, there is no seblence of democracy in the level of state organization in the world. Or at least i havent managed to identify one.

If people are delusional about something so importand how are they gonna be aware enough to be able to see through things in their day to day lives, when they will have even less time per-thing to analyze?

There are 2 questions that illustrate my point.

What do you think bigotry is?

And how is it so common for people to feel, almost automatically, negativity when they experience it?

Uuh.. Walls, goals, no sense? What do you mean?

Well, you might believe that but what do you actually know that can support it?

On the other hand, i know that at least there is a pretty good argument suporting the position that ordinary people are Evil: ?si=zVG8EjTJ95-i9Gaa

Furthermore, to answer to your i see all the time that people are delusional, they are not aware of the actual reality. They prefer to believe happy lies than, at least attempt to confront their material situation. They make excuses, they get defensive when they know they cant form a good argument. They fully accept the passive ideology that society pushes onto them.

To put it bluntly, most people are pure shit.

Its, unfortunately, right as Marx put it. On one pole there is the acumulation of wealth. And on the other pole there is the acumulation of mysery and mental degredation.

People can learn to have the qualities you mentioned, of course! But... where do you see them being practiced?

And by the way, calling people out, in situations like this does have an immediate positive outcome, but it also has a negative one. And its that it does not actually solve the problems, but its seen as something that does! So the actual problems (that generate bigotry, in general) remain mostly unnoticed!

Its not enough to reduce fatphobes to head asses,because they are the result of far larger underlying problems.