Your fantasy, my pen: let's craft your dream story!
Battybattybattybat:
Yes, yes you do because AI scrapes this site and many others. It scrapes published books. It scrapes poetry, and articles, and essays all originally written by a human being. That's one of the major reasons why writers and artists don't like it.
Hiccupx:
Despite what I said in my previous posts, I understand your concerns here, given that AI will develop over time. So this raises another question:
Should we make the stories section viewable by members only to prevent AI scraping?
Currently, the first page of each story is viewable to guests because it brings many new people to the website. To view subsequent chapters of the story the guest then needs to create an account and login.
The issues I can see here are:
* Closing the stories section would deminish our Google listings and reduce the number of new members coming here. This would reduce the income for story earners.
* Would it really make and difference? There will still be plenty of feederism stories our there anyway that AI can scrape.
* Can we really keep AI from creating an account and scraping the stories section anyway (premium stories would be safe because they are behind a pay wall)?
Munchies:
Here's some information you might find helpful.
capitalizemytitle.com/how-writers-can-prevent-ai-from-stealing-their-content/
There's nothing you can really do to staunch the general tide of generative AI, but it would be foolish to do nothing at all. Think of it like this. If you do nothing, then people looking to make a quick buck will become content farms. They will flood the premium section with low-quality stories at a rate no human author can hope to compete with.
The human authors will feel slighted and stop posting on FF or at least post less. And seeing there's a growing number of people that despise AI-written stories, they won't feel incentivized to join the site - let alone pay for it. You'll start to see a decrease in revenue in time.
You have two ways of handling this - ban AI-written stories or require authors to indicate the story is AI-written. That way those who do not want to read anything written with AI can filter it out. Most sites that allow AI stories
It's not a perfect fix, but it's better than doing nothing.
And once again, this isn't to slight OP in any way. He is clearly not trying to be malicious.
I got a chuckle about the link to a site called Capitalize My Title on a website that doesn't let you capitalize the titles of your stories, but that's an awesome link, thank you.
1 year
Your fantasy, my pen: let's craft your dream story!
Letters And Numbers:
...What might be more interesting, and what Amazon requires for self-publishing, is a check box disclosing that the story was generated using AI. Amazon carved out things like grammar checkers and things like that which don’t need to be disclosed, so you could get in the weeds pretty quickly, and I understand why it might be a headache, but it would be another way of filtering stories. There might be readers who are curious about AI assisted writing and would want to check some out. There are probably more who would prefer to filter it out or at least know what they’re reading.
Just a thought. Adding a checkbox would be the easy part, coming up with the rules around it would be harder. A number of people on here already self-disclose with AI visual art in one way or another, so I think there are people who would participate, even if it was voluntary.
Hiccupx:
Yeah, it would have to be voluntary, since there's no way of really telling whether a story has been written using AI, or to what extent.
Regarding the rules, there's no real way of policing it, so we'd be relying on the honesty of the author. Also, how much AI warrents a disclosure, any AI use at all?
I believe it's voluntary for Amazon, too, but I think the thought is that it's step one in a series of moves to better police bot-written books from getting into the marketplace. I don't know if they know what step 2 is. It might be using AI to flag AI. Just a thought.
But step 1 is to ask authors to voluntarily disclose if they use AI to generatively(?) produce written content or images. "Post-production" AI tools, like Grammerly do not need to be disclosed, but if a passage was written by ChatGPT using prompts, that would have to be disclosed. It's on the honor system right now and there are no repercussions, that I know of, for being honest about using AI.
I imagine that Amazon is thinking that, at some point, they could be pulled into many thousands of legal battles over facilitating the sale of AI generated content that scraped copyright protected IP, and they're getting ready proactively to ban it.
I know that, given the option, I would disclose that the cheap illustrations I posted on this site are AI generated. My writing is not. But I also realize not everyone would do that, and it wouldn't mean a whole lot, really.
This is amazon's AI policy:
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Artificial intelligence (AI) content (text, images, or translations)
We require you to inform us of AI-generated content (text, images, or translations) when you publish a new book or make edits to and republish an existing book through KDP. AI-generated images include cover and interior images and artwork. You are not required to disclose AI-assisted content. We distinguish between AI-generated and AI-assisted content as follows:
AI-generated: We define AI-generated content as text, images, or translations created by an AI-based tool. If you used an AI-based tool to create the actual content (whether text, images, or translations), it is considered "AI-generated," even if you applied substantial edits afterwards.
AI-assisted: If you created the content yourself, and used AI-based tools to edit, refine, error-check, or otherwise improve that content (whether text or images), then it is considered "AI-assisted" and not “AI-generated.” Similarly, if you used an AI-based tool to brainstorm and generate ideas, but ultimately created the text or images yourself, this is also considered "AI-assisted" and not “AI-generated.” It is not necessary to inform us of the use of such tools or processes.
You are responsible for verifying that all AI-generated and/or AI-assisted content adheres to all content guidelines, including by complying with all applicable intellectual property rights.
______________________
So I take it back, it's not really voluntary to disclose it, it's just easy to lie and (right now) maybe difficult for Amazon to tell if you lied. The creator assumes the liability that their products don't steal from existing IP when they sign the contract, which means they could be banned if it was discovered that they lied on the disclosure, and theoretically Amazon would be held harmless if there was a copyright battle.
1 year
Your fantasy, my pen: let's craft your dream story!
Battybattybattybat:
Yes, yes you do because AI scrapes this site and many others. It scrapes published books. It scrapes poetry, and articles, and essays all originally written by a human being. That's one of the major reasons why writers and artists don't like it.
Hiccupx:
Despite what I said in my previous posts, I understand your concerns here, given that AI will develop over time. So this raises another question:
Should we make the stories section viewable by members only to prevent AI scraping?
Currently, the first page of each story is viewable to guests because it brings many new people to the website. To view subsequent chapters of the story the guest then needs to create an account and login.
The issues I can see here are:
* Closing the stories section would deminish our Google listings and reduce the number of new members coming here. This would reduce the income for story earners.
* Would it really make and difference? There will still be plenty of feederism stories our there anyway that AI can scrape.
* Can we really keep AI from creating an account and scraping the stories section anyway (premium stories would be safe because they are behind a pay wall)?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but personally I feel that until laws change to protect creators, if you put something out there, there’s a good chance someone or some thing is going to copy it to do who knows what with. I think this site already does a lot more than many to give creators publishing control over their content.
What might be more interesting, and what Amazon requires for self-publishing, is a check box disclosing that the story was generated using AI. Amazon carved out things like grammar checkers and things like that which don’t need to be disclosed, so you could get in the weeds pretty quickly, and I understand why it might be a headache, but it would be another way of filtering stories. There might be readers who are curious about AI assisted writing and would want to check some out. There are probably more who would prefer to filter it out or at least know what they’re reading.
Just a thought. Adding a checkbox would be the easy part, coming up with the rules around it would be harder. A number of people on here already self-disclose with AI visual art in one way or another, so I think there are people who would participate, even if it was voluntary.
1 year
Your fantasy, my pen: let's craft your dream story!
Hiccupx:
Yes, we do allow authors of premium stories to use AI, since it's just another tool in the box, like spelling or grammar checkers.
LoraDayton:
Grammar and spellcheck already existed long before mass-market access to AI.
AI isn't a grammar tool. It can only function by scraping existing writing created by other humans. Even if you clean it up after, it is still theft. It's not reinterpretation or meta or research. AI is theft of work. AI cannot exist without a reserve of existing material. That's literally how it works.
You're absolutely right that there is no shortcut to sincere creativity, but it's mutually exclusive to AI generated writing.
Battybattybattybat:
There's a bot that scrapes these very profiles and stories (though I believe it can only access the first page) on this very site. Our words are being used for AI guys, we should feel honored. 😘
Morbido:
I want to assure you all that I don't steal stories or plots from the writers on this site. I solely rely on my imagination for the narratives, occasionally drawing inspiration from stories I've read over the years on this site. Moreover, I use AI text generators, though it's quite a challenge to make them as weirdo as our community when it comes to the theme of weight gain.
This is a passion project for me, something I wouldn't pursue if I weren't genuinely passionate about this genre of storytelling.
Battybattybattybat:
Yes, yes you do because AI scrapes this site and many others. It scrapes published books. It scrapes poetry, and articles, and essays all originally written by a human being. That's one of the major reasons why writers and artists don't like it.
Letters And Numbers:
And also -- ok, yes, all art is influenced by what came before it to some degree, sure. A writer in 2024 will be influenced by books they read and fold that into their own writing in one way or another. However, doing that requires you to actually read the books! Reading a bunch of Hemingway and then writing a story using Hemingway's voice can be an interesting project. Telling software to write in the style of Hemingway without having read or understood the source material is maybe a neat trick, but I think that's all you can say about it.
Munchies:
Friendly reminder that you can plagiarize art. There is thriving market for it that existed long before generative ai came into the scene.
Now, to be clear, I am not making any aspersions about OP. I don't know him. He seems like a decent enough person who doesn't understand how generative ai works.
And that's fine. Not everyone is in the know about that. Doesn't make you a bad person.
However, generative ai isn't the same thing as drawing inspiration.
When something inspires you, you take elements of the original and make it your own. Sometimes it's clear what your inspiration is, but the end product is transformed by putting your own flare on things.
Generative ai is incapable of doing this. Instead, it cobbles together bits and pieces of things using predictive algorithms. This is why it often repeats itself or spits out nonsense.
It's also terrible at nonfiction because it cannot discern what sources are useful and what sources or not. It also has the habit of hallucinating data. Why? Because it writes thing based on how others have written things before and spits it out with the algorithm.
Yes, we do allow authors of premium stories to use AI, since it's just another tool in the box, like spelling or grammar checkers.
LoraDayton:
Grammar and spellcheck already existed long before mass-market access to AI.
AI isn't a grammar tool. It can only function by scraping existing writing created by other humans. Even if you clean it up after, it is still theft. It's not reinterpretation or meta or research. AI is theft of work. AI cannot exist without a reserve of existing material. That's literally how it works.
You're absolutely right that there is no shortcut to sincere creativity, but it's mutually exclusive to AI generated writing.
Battybattybattybat:
There's a bot that scrapes these very profiles and stories (though I believe it can only access the first page) on this very site. Our words are being used for AI guys, we should feel honored. 😘
Morbido:
I want to assure you all that I don't steal stories or plots from the writers on this site. I solely rely on my imagination for the narratives, occasionally drawing inspiration from stories I've read over the years on this site. Moreover, I use AI text generators, though it's quite a challenge to make them as weirdo as our community when it comes to the theme of weight gain.
This is a passion project for me, something I wouldn't pursue if I weren't genuinely passionate about this genre of storytelling.
Battybattybattybat:
Yes, yes you do because AI scrapes this site and many others. It scrapes published books. It scrapes poetry, and articles, and essays all originally written by a human being. That's one of the major reasons why writers and artists don't like it.
Letters And Numbers:
And also -- ok, yes, all art is influenced by what came before it to some degree, sure. A writer in 2024 will be influenced by books they read and fold that into their own writing in one way or another. However, doing that requires you to actually read the books! Reading a bunch of Hemingway and then writing a story using Hemingway's voice can be an interesting project. Telling software to write in the style of Hemingway without having read or understood the source material is maybe a neat trick, but I think that's all you can say about it.
Munchies:
Friendly reminder that you can plagiarize art. There is thriving market for it that existed long before generative ai came into the scene.
Now, to be clear, I am not making any aspersions about OP. I don't know him. He seems like a decent enough person who doesn't understand how generative ai works.
And that's fine. Not everyone is in the know about that. Doesn't make you a bad person.
However, generative ai isn't the same thing as drawing inspiration.
When something inspires you, you take elements of the original and make it your own. Sometimes it's clear what your inspiration is, but the end product is transformed by putting your own flare on things.
Generative ai is incapable of doing this. Instead, it cobbles together bits and pieces of things using predictive algorithms. This is why it often repeats itself or spits out nonsense.
It's also terrible at nonfiction because it cannot discern what sources are useful and what sources or not. It also has the habit of hallucinating data. Why? Because it writes thing based on how others have written things before and spits it out with the algorithm.
Sports Illustrated got away with it for a while, which is pretty amazing.
1 year
Your fantasy, my pen: let's craft your dream story!
Hiccupx:
Yes, we do allow authors of premium stories to use AI, since it's just another tool in the box, like spelling or grammar checkers.
LoraDayton:
Grammar and spellcheck already existed long before mass-market access to AI.
AI isn't a grammar tool. It can only function by scraping existing writing created by other humans. Even if you clean it up after, it is still theft. It's not reinterpretation or meta or research. AI is theft of work. AI cannot exist without a reserve of existing material. That's literally how it works.
You're absolutely right that there is no shortcut to sincere creativity, but it's mutually exclusive to AI generated writing.
Battybattybattybat:
There's a bot that scrapes these very profiles and stories (though I believe it can only access the first page) on this very site. Our words are being used for AI guys, we should feel honored. 😘
Morbido:
I want to assure you all that I don't steal stories or plots from the writers on this site. I solely rely on my imagination for the narratives, occasionally drawing inspiration from stories I've read over the years on this site. Moreover, I use AI text generators, though it's quite a challenge to make them as weirdo as our community when it comes to the theme of weight gain.
This is a passion project for me, something I wouldn't pursue if I weren't genuinely passionate about this genre of storytelling.
Battybattybattybat:
Yes, yes you do because AI scrapes this site and many others. It scrapes published books. It scrapes poetry, and articles, and essays all originally written by a human being. That's one of the major reasons why writers and artists don't like it.
Yes, we do allow authors of premium stories to use AI, since it's just another tool in the box, like spelling or grammar checkers.
LoraDayton:
Grammar and spellcheck already existed long before mass-market access to AI.
AI isn't a grammar tool. It can only function by scraping existing writing created by other humans. Even if you clean it up after, it is still theft. It's not reinterpretation or meta or research. AI is theft of work. AI cannot exist without a reserve of existing material. That's literally how it works.
You're absolutely right that there is no shortcut to sincere creativity, but it's mutually exclusive to AI generated writing.
Battybattybattybat:
There's a bot that scrapes these very profiles and stories (though I believe it can only access the first page) on this very site. Our words are being used for AI guys, we should feel honored. 😘
Morbido:
I want to assure you all that I don't steal stories or plots from the writers on this site. I solely rely on my imagination for the narratives, occasionally drawing inspiration from stories I've read over the years on this site. Moreover, I use AI text generators, though it's quite a challenge to make them as weirdo as our community when it comes to the theme of weight gain.
This is a passion project for me, something I wouldn't pursue if I weren't genuinely passionate about this genre of storytelling.
Battybattybattybat:
Yes, yes you do because AI scrapes this site and many others. It scrapes published books. It scrapes poetry, and articles, and essays all originally written by a human being. That's one of the major reasons why writers and artists don't like it.
And also -- ok, yes, all art is influenced by what came before it to some degree, sure. A writer in 2024 will be influenced by books they read and fold that into their own writing in one way or another. However, doing that requires you to actually read the books! Reading a bunch of Hemingway and then writing a story using Hemingway's voice can be an interesting project. Telling software to write in the style of Hemingway without having read or understood the source material is maybe a neat trick, but I think that's all you can say about it.
1 year
Your fantasy, my pen: let's craft your dream story!
Morbido:
Dear Community,
I want to express my heartfelt gratitude for the diverse opinions and engaging discussions regarding the use of AI in crafting stories.
Utilizing AI has proven to be immensely helpful, especially as a non-native English writer (I'm Italian). This tool aids in refining my work, making the creative process more accessible. I eagerly await your feedback to understand if my stories hold value for you. While they may seem satisfactory to me in isolation, your opinions are invaluable in shaping the worth of my creations within our community.
I am committed to using the tool in a progressively more refined manner, seeking to balance its assistance with my personal touch and fantasy. However, the true measure of success lies in your collective feedback. I understand that personal opinions vary, and I'm patient as I await your thoughts, recognizing that it takes time to form a consensus.
Behind each story lies hours of dedicated work from my perspective. I invested time during my Christmas holidays to bring these stories to fruition.
I hope you enjoy the experience here, and if these stories don't align with your preferences, I completely understand. The intention behind this endeavor was to breathe life into the fantasies of those who struggle to express them in written form, creating a space for shared imagination, including my own, which I find challenging to articulate due to the language barrier.
If you have the time and inclination, I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to explore the stories. Your valuable feedback could make a significant difference in enhancing the overall experience.
Warm regards,
Morbido
Dear Community,
I want to express my heartfelt gratitude for the diverse opinions and engaging discussions regarding the use of AI in crafting stories.
Utilizing AI has proven to be immensely helpful, especially as a non-native English writer (I'm Italian). This tool aids in refining my work, making the creative process more accessible. I eagerly await your feedback to understand if my stories hold value for you. While they may seem satisfactory to me in isolation, your opinions are invaluable in shaping the worth of my creations within our community.
I am committed to using the tool in a progressively more refined manner, seeking to balance its assistance with my personal touch and fantasy. However, the true measure of success lies in your collective feedback. I understand that personal opinions vary, and I'm patient as I await your thoughts, recognizing that it takes time to form a consensus.
Behind each story lies hours of dedicated work from my perspective. I invested time during my Christmas holidays to bring these stories to fruition.
I hope you enjoy the experience here, and if these stories don't align with your preferences, I completely understand. The intention behind this endeavor was to breathe life into the fantasies of those who struggle to express them in written form, creating a space for shared imagination, including my own, which I find challenging to articulate due to the language barrier.
If you have the time and inclination, I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to explore the stories. Your valuable feedback could make a significant difference in enhancing the overall experience.
Warm regards,
Morbido
I guess my advice, and take it or leave it, would be that instead of making and posting 10 (some of them lengthy) stories in a few weeks and flooding the New Stories section, pace yourself. Pick one and work on it, maybe with an English speaking editor or beta reader. The syntax and writing conventions are all over the place in your stories, which I expect from bot-written stuff, but it makes them feel rushed and confusing. One of the hallmarks of AI writing is that it repeats and summarizes itself a lot. This can be fixed by editing, but that takes time. Pick one and try to perfect it instead of rushing to generate new content. Not to mention that another author trying to get some eyes on their writing has to compete with 10 of your stories clogging things up. That’s just my take.
Besides that, though, I’d love to know what software you use so I can look at it!
1 year
What do you collect?
Wrestlemania13:
Souls. Nah, just records.
Souls. Nah, just records.
Souls are easier to take with you when you move.
1 year
What do you collect?
Letters And Numbers:
Records. So many heavy, stinky records. Help.
Munchies:
Sends you air freshener for your records.
I helped. 😊
Records. So many heavy, stinky records. Help.
Munchies:
Sends you air freshener for your records.
I helped. 😊
I wish it was that easy. Picture a half ton of 70 year old cardboard and bitter, disintegrating ink. It’s a thing.
1 year
Feeder wife or else??
Swiss Gainer:
If she is one fa feeder or whatever you name.. and i m not yet convicted..
why she never say to me..?
If she is one fa feeder or whatever you name.. and i m not yet convicted..
why she never say to me..?
You’re acting like anyone here somehow knows your wife better than you do. Honestly, the whole thing sounds like a bad larp.
1 year
