Are you sure you didn't miss also looking at serving size?

In the U.S., for heavy cream the label typically says 50 calories a serving. But a "serving" is only 1 tablespoon, or half a fluid ounce. Whereas for half & half, it says 40 calories per serving, which while that's not much below 50, is for 2 tablespoons, or 1 fluid ounce. So to really compare apples to apples, you have to convert serving sizes, proportionally.

Thus, 100 calories per fluid ounce of heavy cream (36%) vs. half & half which is 40 per fluid ounce (10.5%).

I kind of wish we had double cream that was runny, as it would be easier to either drink or mix into shakes.

The U.S. does have something called "manufacturing cream" which is 40%, and 60 calories per tablespoon, or 120 calories per fluid ounce. But almost no one sells it. Wish I knew where to get some.

For whatever reason, if I make a post with multiple URLs, without using BBCode, the 2nd and subsequent links in the post will have the same link text as the first link, but if you hover over any of the links, it will show that if clicked, it would lead to the correct, intended URL.

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the CMS that FF utilizes, nor am I familiar with the code that is used to convert text URLs into clickable hyperlinks. So, I'm unable to provide specific assistance.

However, it's clear there's a coding logic error somewhere, where instead of using the text of the subsequent URLs, it's instead reusing the text from the first link. That's the only thought or suggestion I really have to potentially resolve this problem.

I know, logic errors are the worst. At least syntax errors show up during compiling or executing, as it does in the case of PHP.

Depends on how you define "rich," and how you define fat.

But probably not. I'm afraid I'm going to have to burst your bubble.

If the definition is at least $100K-$150K USD / yr., it's not that hard to find such individuals who are plus size.

In 2019, the 10th percentile for individual income, where 10% get more and 90% get less, is $116,250 / yr., but that's a nationwide figure. In San Francisco for example, that's pitiful.

dqydj.com/average-median-top-individual-income-percentiles/

Either way, it's a good ballpark figure to define "rich," in absence of a definition from you.


You have also failed to define "fat." Since you have also failed to provide such a definition, I will make one up. The CDC defines "severe obesity" to be a BMI of 40+, and in 2018 the rate was 9.2%.

dqydj.com/average-median-top-individual-income-percentiles/

Assuming a perfectly even distribution, which is hardly the case... 9.2% * 10% = 0.92%. This suggests under 1% of the American population both has an income above $116,250 / yr. and a BMI that exceeds 40.

In 2018, there were about 240,350,000 Americans in all age groups over the age of 21.

dqydj.com/average-median-top-individual-income-percentiles/

That leaves, nationwide, only about 2.2 million such Americans, nationwide. However, the number is likely even lower. Know how I said that assumes an even distribution? Because that's not how it works.

In fact, the numbers are likely not even half that. I have the impression that an estimate of 1 million, nationwide, would be an optimistically high estimate.


It's a harsh truth that there's some degree of an inverse relationship between severe obesity, and educational attainment (which is typically directly correlated with income and wealth), income, and wealth.

Clothing brands that are more expensive, are likely to top out at size 18-20 for women, and 44" waist / XL shirt / 18.5" neck. This is not by mistake. They must have determined market demand is minimal, and the farther away from the median, the steeper the drop in even potential market size. Though with that degree of wealth, such individuals could likely easily bear the cost of custom clothing.

When I was attending business school for an MBA, I think I only had one classmate, in one class, who was clearly well above 350 lbs. Those who were over 200 lbs were somewhat common, but in a minority. The students were definitely thinner than the average population as a while.

A few professors were over 200, but none were over 350.

This was all in the Midwest were obesity rates are slightly or somewhat above the national average.

Now, not everyone who has a large income has a Master's or Ph.D., so what about those with lower educational attainment but have the income and wealth anyway?

But, after a certain point, regardless of educational attainment, image is important. Having a plus size wife who weighs over 200 lbs is sufficiently mainstream in that world, as is being plus size yourself (200-250).

But super size (350+) doesn't fit that image, at least not yet, and could make business or work relationships hard.

In the world of higher income, the pressure to remain thin or fit continues to persist. Partly it's due to the slow pace that high fashion changes to adapt to society. It's likely also part to there being fewer excuses available. The money means easier access to exercising, yoga studios, different types of food, plastic surgery, and scheduling flexibility to let this all happen.

Awhile back, I read about a 450 lb man who simply wasn't being promoted, despite being qualified for it. But when he dropped to about 225-250, he was finally promoted and got the larger salary.

In short, image is likely everything for those of us with more money, and the standards have been slower to change.

At least, these are the observations I've made when looking at, observing the very wealthy suburbs nearby, or when I might go shopping in one of them.

Even just trying to get a new job, image seems like it's everything. But I don't anticipate weighing over 300 lbs, where I expect image problems to occur.

So far, about 10-15 pounds. But I still have to go out sometimes, or sometimes I'll go for a drive or to the park.

I think I'm going to need more bottoms (trousers, shorts, etc.) because the waist is getting a little snug. Could probably use some more shirts, too.

I was disappointed to learn I wasn't quite as far along as I thought.

I'm dealing with this yet again. Yet it seems every time I get larger clothes, I will eventually gain enough weight so even they too will be snug.

I could get clothes just the next size up, or I could go 2 sizes up.

The larger would be too loose for awhile, but would last longer. Decisions, decisions.

Mixing or alternating between sweet and salty/savory helps too!


To help answer the OP's question, also to keep slathering on spreads on baked goods. Butter on muffins, cream cheese on bagels, etc.

At *just* under 25!

I'm wondering with great anticipation when I will finally surpass 25.

When I finally do, I think I will celebrate, with cake! Will probably get a smaller one from the grocery store bakery so I can eat the entire thing in one sitting.

When I reach a BMI of 30, and then 35, it's my hope I will be able to celebrate with a larger cake!

I'm single.

The only effective way to meet anyone for possible romantic relationships is in person.

I almost have no reason to believe I'll meet anyone who will admit to being into this, even to themselves. The best I can hope for is a heavy woman who hopefully likes eating and doesn't mind being her size, which is considerably easy to find.

But traditionally, the most effective way I've met anyone has been at bars. There are other activities where you might be able to meet some folks, but they too are in person.

On uncommon occasions, I find someone online to talk to at length online, but this doesn't happen often and it never goes anywhere. There's too many unknowns, too many ways for it to all go wrong. What can be achieved or discovered in person in hours or even minutes, takes days or weeks online and will likely be all for naught. The odds are likely akin to lottery jackpot odds.

Dedicated dating web sites are even worse. If every single profile on such a web site was fake, I would have had the exact same outcome and result. If every message I sent was sent to the electronic equivalent of a shredder, it would be the same result. Any money that would be spent on a dating web site, would be spent better on literally anything else. You would be better off using $1 bills like toilet paper. If I were sufficiently unscrupulous, I would do that and rake in the bacon, profiting on the loneliness and misery while providing more of the same and causing folks to become even more bitter and angry. My advice would be to either simply not bother, or if you must, don't spend a dime.

Yes, I know that during this crisis it's harder than ever to meet anyone in person. You may just have to wait until it's over. If you are too shy, too introverted, or never go out besides work and errands, it may sound a bit harsh or unfair, but the odds that you will die alone go up significantly.

I've heard of this physiological effect on women.

That somehow, the more fat the more estrogen? That this somehow causes sex drive to go through the roof? I don't know if that's the case, or if it's more psychological.

Though to be clear, being in the right mental state and being turned on is an important part of libido.

Don't suppose this physiological effect works that way on men, does it?

I notice I have more libido than when I was quite skinny and then thin, but I think that may have just been because my body was starved of energy and calories and didn't have any left over.

If someone else has something to add about this, I would be curious.

I would love if gaining more weight would increase my libido. That would be all the more reason to gain even more!

I think you need to take a moment to think and ponder, if you want to avoid regret later on in life. It sounds a bit like a mid-life crisis and a conflict of interest, and at some point you will have to decide.

I hope something I say here will help you decide.

Are you into feederism or not? How important is it to you? Are you content with it being fantasy, or do you want this in real life? Or at least want a fat woman?

I don't know why you say that many careers/jobs need you to be fit, because for most jobs it really doesn't matter. Even certain active jobs like warehouse, construction, and nursing, they have many individuals in those jobs who are nevertheless obese, and it doesn't seem to hurt their ability to do their jobs.

But sure, fitness instructor does run almost completely counter to feederism. In fact, to be real blunt, it seems entirely opposite. A good part of your job is likely to include clients who want to lose weight, for BBW to lose their curves. If anything, you will even be part of the "weight loss" industry that seems to cause nothing but misery and anguish, and most of the time, doesn't even deliver on their promises. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but this is something you will have to reconcile.

Yes, I'm aware there's multiple forms of exercise. A focus on lifting weights is actually likely to cause weight gain (bulking), but it seems, at least to me, that aerobic activity to be slim and trim is what's often pushed, especially for women.

I also get the impression that "fitness instructor" is something that pays poorly, so this is something else to think about.

I'm not sure what activities or hobbies you have in mind that require high levels of fitness, but you're probably not gonna find many, or any BBW who can keep up with the more extreme levels of these activities. Then again, it really depends. I don't even know what activities these are.

Finally, there's one more thing you have to consider. Virtually every man who starts dating a fat woman long term, or gets married to one, gets fat himself. There are exceptions, so it's not a 100% sure thing, but far more often than not from what I've seen.

In fact, virtually every couple I've seen in the past few years, if she's fat, he's big too. His physical fitness is likely to take the form of being able to lift heavier weights, but he's never slim and trim. On a couple rare occasions he's big but she's either slim or slightly chubby/curvy, but that's fairly rare too. Only once in those few years did I see a couple where he was thin but she was big, but they probably haven't been dating for long. I suspect it's just a matter of time until he gains a lot of weight.

I don't know if it's just where I've lived for a meaningful amount of time (first the Midwest, now Texas) but I've visited most states at one point or another and it seems to be the same way. But this is what I've noticed. Marriage to a fat woman is very fattening, and you will get fat.

Perhaps it's because you're around all that yummy, delicious food, and her habits start to rub off on you. Before you know it, you're watching movies on the couch, cuddling while stuffing your widening asses and thickening guts with snacks, and dinner just isn't dinner without dessert.

I've gotten into gaining so the thought of this doesn't bother me, but maybe this still bothers you.