What’s the story algorithm for showing up on the main page?

Hiccupx:
There is a weighting for premium stories also which should compensate for lack of likes.

We find that on this site, as with in the wider world, the authors that become the top sellers as those that build up a following. This can take time and effort, but the benefits are worth it, and we have authors that regularly earn several hundred dollars a month.

The key is for people to get to know your work, and the most effective way for this is to upload some short stories for free. If members enjoy your free stories, then it's much less of a risk for them to purchase a premium story, and in our experience once their hooked on an author's work, they'll look out for the notifications whenever you upload something new.

Of course we're always happy to discuss with authors about improvements to the website and how to better promote work. C00kie is currently collecting feedback and ideas on this for future developments.

Letters And Numbers:
Why not change it so non-premium members can like premium stories?

Or allow a writer start off a regular story and convert it to premium?

In the wider world, a book that can make a bookstore money isn’t hidden under a mountain of free pamphlets.

FF Team:
First chapters of premium stories are free to read for all members so readers can sample some of the story before purchasing.

What hiccupx is saying is that to promote premium stories they have a higher score so they appear in listing's even though they are new to the site and don't have many views or likes.

Once your story has been up for a bit, the views and likes will add to the score. But ultimately, when new stories are added... It is only fair to highlight these too.

Giving the options for readers to like a story that they haven't been able to read it in full doesn't seem fair.

We try to balance both free and premium stories on the site so it's fair to every author and reader.

We're not hiding premium stories to be purchased but you have to admit in the real world, authors don't start off being best selling authors... That's all hiccupx is saying is that to make the most of your audience and get a following on the site which will help selling premium content.

Letters And Numbers:
There are lots of things on this website that don’t work the way the staff wants them to work, from the kinda silly (you can’t capitalize words in the titles of stories) to things like chat which are majorly broken. I think the algorithm might not be working exactly the way it was designed. Do you think that’s a possibility?

FF Team:
The capital letters not being used on the site is a design choice. So that does work the way the site wants it too...

The chat does need things fixing, and we are aware of that.but that is separate from the story section.

The stories however have had a revamp this year and last year. We updated the story searches, and the story home page. Algorithms would be checked as part of this update as we have a test system when releases are made. So I don't believe this is the case.


So I’ll drop it after this, but if you search for my premium story (3 weeks old, almost 1000 views, 1 like, 2 comments, thumbnail, descriptions, 50 chapters) on the Magical Realism tab it shows up - on page 16 underneath a non-premium TEN YEAR OLD STORY with one chapter, no picture, no likes, no comments, 6000 views (in 10 years!!).

If you can say that the search algorithm is working as intended there, I’m at a loss for words. We all know this is a lovable Frankenstein of a website that is trying to be 5 different things and mostly doing them well. It’s ok to admit there are bugs sometimes. We all get it.
1 year

What’s the story algorithm for showing up on the main page?

Hiccupx:
There is a weighting for premium stories also which should compensate for lack of likes.

We find that on this site, as with in the wider world, the authors that become the top sellers as those that build up a following. This can take time and effort, but the benefits are worth it, and we have authors that regularly earn several hundred dollars a month.

The key is for people to get to know your work, and the most effective way for this is to upload some short stories for free. If members enjoy your free stories, then it's much less of a risk for them to purchase a premium story, and in our experience once their hooked on an author's work, they'll look out for the notifications whenever you upload something new.

Of course we're always happy to discuss with authors about improvements to the website and how to better promote work. C00kie is currently collecting feedback and ideas on this for future developments.

Letters And Numbers:
Why not change it so non-premium members can like premium stories?

Or allow a writer start off a regular story and convert it to premium?

In the wider world, a book that can make a bookstore money isn’t hidden under a mountain of free pamphlets.

FF Team:
First chapters of premium stories are free to read for all members so readers can sample some of the story before purchasing.

What hiccupx is saying is that to promote premium stories they have a higher score so they appear in listing's even though they are new to the site and don't have many views or likes.

Once your story has been up for a bit, the views and likes will add to the score. But ultimately, when new stories are added... It is only fair to highlight these too.

Giving the options for readers to like a story that they haven't been able to read it in full doesn't seem fair.

We try to balance both free and premium stories on the site so it's fair to every author and reader.

We're not hiding premium stories to be purchased but you have to admit in the real world, authors don't start off being best selling authors... That's all hiccupx is saying is that to make the most of your audience and get a following on the site which will help selling premium content.


There are lots of things on this website that don’t work the way the staff wants them to work, from the kinda silly (you can’t capitalize words in the titles of stories) to things like chat which are majorly broken. I think the algorithm might not be working exactly the way it was designed. Do you think that’s a possibility?
1 year

What’s the story algorithm for showing up on the main page?

Hiccupx:
There is a weighting for premium stories also which should compensate for lack of likes.

We find that on this site, as with in the wider world, the authors that become the top sellers as those that build up a following. This can take time and effort, but the benefits are worth it, and we have authors that regularly earn several hundred dollars a month.

The key is for people to get to know your work, and the most effective way for this is to upload some short stories for free. If members enjoy your free stories, then it's much less of a risk for them to purchase a premium story, and in our experience once their hooked on an author's work, they'll look out for the notifications whenever you upload something new.

Of course we're always happy to discuss with authors about improvements to the website and how to better promote work. C00kie is currently collecting feedback and ideas on this for future developments.


Why not change it so non-premium members can like premium stories?

Or allow a writer start off a regular story and convert it to premium?

In the wider world, a book that can make a bookstore money isn’t hidden under a mountain of free pamphlets.
1 year

What’s the story algorithm for showing up on the main page?

Hiccupx:
Generally the stories are sorted by 'recommended'. Each story is given a score and higher scores are shown first. Scores are based upon things like, whether the story has a thumbnail and description, number of chapters, number of likes, date created etc.


Just one thought about this: you can only Like or Comment on premium stories if you are a premium subscriber, which means that premium stories will ALWAYS get fewer likes than regular stories, and will by default be downgraded, so fewer people will be able to see them and potentially be coaxed into buying upgrades. Not great for the premium authors or great for the site.

I have a premium story that has been up for 3 weeks. It has a thumbnail, a description, and 50 chapters, and it’s all but invisible unless you’re actively searching for it by name or author. It comes up on page 6 of new releases, and as the weeks go by that will fall. It doesn’t show up at all on Female WG or Magical Realism tabs (unless it’s on page 20 or something). It’s just invisible. I got 4 sales for the site the first 4 days it was live, then nothing in 3 weeks. It probably doesn’t help that it’s practically hidden unless you go through my profile or follow a link.
1 year

What’s the story algorithm for showing up on the main page?

Hiccupx:
Generally the stories are sorted by 'recommended'. Each story is given a score and higher scores are shown first. Scores are based upon things like, whether the story has a thumbnail and description, number of chapters, number of likes, date created etc.


That’s great, thank you!
1 year

What whould you want fantasy feeder to have?

Letters And Numbers:
I would just like to see the story interface and writing tools polished up. Make it easier to get to later chapters in longer stories (I think the easiest way would just be a drop down chapter select menu at the top, but a table of contents could work too), make it so when a new chapter from an author you follow shows up in your feed, clicking on it will take you to that chapter instead of the first chapter, stuff like that. And then on the tools side, FORMATTING. ALL THE FORMATTING. BBcode, image embed, links. All.


And:

Munchies:
As for the chapter finder, most story hosting sites have one. It's been a thing for decades. FF having one would just be bringing things to industry standards.


And on that not[e], I would like three other things for FF to include. It would also bring things up to industry standards.

I would like to have html and rich text support for the stories. Most story hosting sites have this. I would also like to have an exclude function. It's a game changer when looking for new stories. And lastly, I want the tags to be ungrouped.
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Tag multi-select options would really bring it all home.

Jiggle Junkie:
Yes, agreed. I’ve been fervently asking for many of these things—especially formatting improvements—for at least 3 years.

Master post: Fatlovesex story online publishing on ff and other sites: a comparative study

Shorter version of same points

Re-iteration from about a year ago:
Formatting

FF could be a go-to place for stories in our feedist subsection of the online fatosphere. Instead, as Munchies and others point out (and i’ve done in past years), FF lags well behind industry standards.

Note: there are 3 links to other FF forum posts in this post. I run a hacked system which colors the links, which last i checked, FF default CSS does not do. Hovering with a cursor-based system should show the links if they’re not visible. Touch-based system users are unfortunately hosed. So another thing i’d like to see is the FF CSS changed such that all hyperlinks in forum posts are clearly visible to all users on all devices. This too i have requested in the past, seemingly to no avail (hence my running my own CSS overrides for FF on my primary device).


So as an administrator, do you have any insight into any of these things? I’m not a tech person, but some of the changes seem to be pretty low stakes.
1 year

September story club - isolation bellies by fatforfun

Happy September, all, and happy Labor Day for folks who celebrate that. This month’s selection is Isolation Bellies by fatforfun.

fantasyfeeder.com/stories/view

If there was one good thing that came out of the pandemic, it’s that we got a bunch of great quarantine fattening fiction, right? This is a fun one, and in a parallel to last month’s pick (thanks again bcain!!!), this looks at the weight gain from a male and female perspective.

Thanks for participating, fatforfun! They have a bunch of other great stories to check out. Please feel free to pop in and talk about your story or what you like to read, anything really!

Enjoy everyone!

Check out other Story Clubs!
- November 23, A Pleasurable Hunt by Battybattybattybat
----> fantasyfeeder.com/forum/posts
- October 23, What A Long Sleep You've Had by Letters & Numbers
----> fantasyfeeder.com/forum/posts
- September 23, Isolation Bellies by FatForFun
----> fantasyfeeder.com/forum/posts
- August 23, The Thief by BCain
----> fantasyfeeder.com/forum/posts
- July 23, Saturday by Stevita
----> fantasyfeeder.com/forum/posts
June 23, Feederism 101 by Bellyempire
----> fantasyfeeder.com/forum/posts
1 year

What’s the story algorithm for showing up on the main page?

Title is pretty self explanatory: is there a methodology behind how stories get advertised on the main stories page? Do premium stories or stories with lots of likes get bumped up higher? It doesn’t seem to just be random. Just curious.
1 year

What whould you want fantasy feeder to have?

If I can whine about something else, or would be nice if quoting someone in the forum doesn’t also quote their quote and the other quote etc.. One layer of quoting is better.
1 year

Fat in waterbed

Letters And Numbers:
It would be wild if every 80s/90s kid who had a waterbed in the house when they were little turned out to be a FA of some stripe.

Munchies:
I never had one, but a friend of mine did. Well, her parents had one in a guest room no one used. It's fun for 15 minutes, but the novelty wears off fast.


Except, maybe years later, fat folks are your jam and it’s all cause of that one waterbed… we shall never know
1 year