Is a fat man a man?

Morbidly A Beast:
the endocrine system and hormones is more complex than estrogen = female and testosterone = male, there’s data that suggest obesity disrupts the endocrine system without a doubt but this manifests in many ways, in the same way that obesity increases odds of certain cancers and heart diseases.

I don’t appreciate told how the endocrine system works by people who don’t understand what it is.


Never said having less testosterone makes someone not male or having more estrogen makes someone female. You only read it that way cause you projected your insecurities or whatever onto what I wrote and you're an idiot.
1 month

Is a fat man a man?

Morbidly A Beast:
Never said it couldn’t or doesn’t, which I explained — unless there is hormonal disorders. It’s not a 1:1 causation, no one has ever said John Goodman was feminized. This is projection

MitchHedberg:
Your words: "every man and woman has the correct amount of estrogen and testosterone regardless of weight"

That statement is simply impossible because no man can have normal testosterone and estrogen levels if they're BMI 50 with obesity.

That's all I'm refuting.

imo it also has nothing to do with whether or not people consider John Goodman "feminized"

Morbidly A Beast:
What you said is categorically false.


Take your forced fem fetish somewhere else freak


1. no it's not and I literally added the studies to prove it.

2. what I said has nothing to do with fetishes or feminization, it's about hormone levels and how they're influenced by obesity but you're obviously too fucking stupid to understand that and I've clearly wasted my time trying to explain basic information on you.

3. go fuck yourself
1 month

Male feeder ---> feminization and feedeeism

Was never a feeder but yeah if I could choose, I'd have an extremely feminine distribution.

I'm talking pear shape, wipe hips, breasts, puffy upper arms, penis covered by FUPA, etc.

I would just want all that to be on top of a base muscle, so I can have the strength of a man and the shape/feel of a fat girl.

That would require me to take hormones though and I'd prefer not to go there, so I'll just make due with my masculine fat.
1 month

Is a fat man a man?

Morbidly A Beast:
Never said it couldn’t or doesn’t, which I explained — unless there is hormonal disorders. It’s not a 1:1 causation, no one has ever said John Goodman was feminized. This is projection


Your words: "every man and woman has the correct amount of estrogen and testosterone regardless of weight"

That statement is simply impossible because no man can have normal testosterone and estrogen levels if they're BMI 50 with obesity.

That's all I'm refuting.

imo it also has nothing to do with whether or not people consider John Goodman "feminized"
1 month

Is a fat man a man?

Morbidly A Beast:
Save for genetic disorders and hormone imbalances every man and woman has the correct amount of estrogen and testosterone regardless of weight. People love to spout the line about fat people have more estrogen without knowing anything about the endocrine system.


This is just factually wrong. Severe obesity is strongly associated with elevated estrogen levels and decreased testosterone, which potentially leads to various health issues and significantly increases the odds of developing breast tissue.

Studies that show this:

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5798797/

frontiersin.org/journals/endocrinology/articles/10.3389/fendo.2020.00277/full

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279105/
1 month

How to convert visceral fat into subcutanese fat

I've spent a lot of time researching this subject and I have some suggestions.

First of all, you should know that the majority of this is up to your genetics. Some people simply do not have a strong capacity for subcutaneous fat and there's not much that can be done about it.

Now if you were relatively lean during puberty and are starting from a generally lean base point, it can go one of two ways. Either you're really genetically gifted in gaining subcutaneous fat and it'll start happening as you put on weight, or if you're like most men, a lot of your subcutaneous fat potential mainly gets unlocked at higher weights. This is because your body will choose to max out your visceral stores before prioritizing subcutaneous depots.

So in other words, get fat enough and you'll eventually get soft and wobbly, you'll just also have a belly that projects pretty far forward as well (that projection does decrease overall softness but at a high enough weight it effectively stops mattering).


But here's the kicker... it is possible to influence your body to favor subcutaneous storage more than it normally would. It won't be a giant change but it will lead to an overall improved subcutaneous to visceral ratio (you'll have more subq fat at a given body weight if you do this)

The only thing is... it requires insane discipline and a lot of exercise.

The idea is based on sumo wrestlers, who have remarkably low visceral fat levels for their size. It's not easy though, cause you basically need to work out a lot and eat super healthy, while also eating a modest caloric surplus.

The idea is that if you do a lot of big muscle activation before your main surplus of the day, it's more likely to be stored subcutaneously than it otherwise would be. This is largely driven by the effect of exercise on insulin sensitivity and things like GLUT4 activation. Working out legs and posterior chain is basically essential since they are the largest muscle groups and recruit the most energy (which leads to less visceral fat).


But it's not just exercise, you also have to eat in a way that preserves insulin sensitivity as much as possible to continue increasing priority towards subcutaneous fat. This means avoiding saturated fats, sugars, choosing complex carbs over simple ones, always eating carbs last in your meal after fiber, protein and fats, etc.


Now you're gonna see a MYTH online, especially in this space, that claims heavy cream leads to softer fat. It sounds nice but I can tell you this isn't real and it's mostly upheld by confirmation bias from people who swear it lead to that effect on them. Heavy cream leads to quick fat gains cause... well it's pure fat... but it's also loaded with saturated fat and it totally derails your insulin sensitivity, which ultimately leads to MORE visceral fat instead of less.


The last big thing you need to know is that it's ideal to gain at a relatively slow rate to not accidentally drive visceral fat, something like 2.4lbs per month is a good place to be in my personal opinion.


As someone who has tried it all, including heavy cream, I can tell you that following this more disciplined exercise-based method has yielding the strongest results in terms of subcutaneous fat gains for me, and I say that as someone that thought I was doomed to never be soft.

My extra pro tip for maximizing the ratio is to purposely overshoot your gains by like 20lbs, hold that weight for 2 years, and then gradually lose about 10-12% of your body weight. This will prioritize visceral fat loss and lead to you being much softer overall. You can regain like 5-8lbs after that loss as well to push it even further, as the initial gains after a major weight loss tend to refill stubborn subcutaneous stores.
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Weight gain and health

I think some health trade offs are inevitable depending on the size you wanna reach and there's only so much you can do about it.

I try to gain weight in a healthy way, which for me means blunting the glucose impact of my meals to prevent insulin spiking, and exercising a lot. This also has the benefit of moderately improving subcutaneous to visceral fat ratios as long as the weight gain is at a controlled pace. My final plan also includes dropping at least 10% of my weight to hopefully further improve my metabolic health while still being a fatty.

But even with that in mind, I know I'm gonna be less healthy at high weights than at lower ones, it's simply inescapable.
1 month

What are some habits you've build to help your gaining journey

I like to eat big at the start of the day so that I can easily achieve my surplus by the end of it.
1 month

Unorthodox feminization

Amazingem:
What started out as a kinky little experiment has turned into a bit of a lifestyle it seems, three years later.

Over that time he grew in size, and so too grew his fluffy, beautiful fupa. He has lost most of that extra weight and is back to about the same size as when we started this experiment, but interestingly his fupa has not shrunk noticeably at all.

For a period of those years, Fatboy was at the point that he couldn't even reach his penis at all, which put me very firmly in control. I have to say was was very, very fun! Not that I think that he would disobey me, regardless of his ability. smiley Our routine is so ingrained now, he eagerly waits for me to feed him his cum after I've licked his fat little clit.

He's developed a taste for cum now, I think. His... mine... If we had other partners, I wonder how he would react. I feel like we've unlocked a "cum dump" kink in him!


Does he still reach orgasm from super mild stimulation like when you started this?
2 months

100+ pound gain appreciation thread

Was 135lbs until my early 20s, up to 217lbs now and hopefully I can hit 235lbs later this year.

Though my next milestone is gonna be at 220lbs because that's officially 100kg, which excites me even though I don't actually use KG to measure my weight lmao.

Looking to hopefully hit that milestone in February.
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