I think that would be most useful as this subject comes up often in forums and I have yet to see a peer reviewed paper posted on it in response despite seeing results and hearing from medical doctors about visceral fat and its drivers. But links to papers would be great.

I think that would be most useful as this subject comes up often in forums and I have yet to see a peer reviewed paper posted on it in response despite seeing results and hearing from medical doctors about visceral fat and its drivers. But links to papers would be great.

Ok, so I’m by no means what is now referred to as a death feedist, but I have had brief relationships with women above 450lbs one of whom is now happily married and appears to be growing.

What I can say is that she is happy, and was happy with her size when we dated.

As Ive mentioned before on these forums, my family owned a chain of gyms during the 80s and early 90s and what was clear is that seemingly healthy relationships where one or both partners were striving for a better body or greater athletic capability, were infact doing damage to themselves. Olympic level sports take a toll on the body too, and top top level in most sports results in a raised mortality and a raised rate of long term injury. Further to this, purely aesthetic gym use (along with the diet, medication and supplements) taxes the body, again often resulting in joint failure and organ damage.

The balance lies in what the person changing themselves for a personal goal, wishes to sacrifice to achieve that goal. In addition, if their partner is enabling behaviour that likely negatively affects the mortality of their partner, but yet positively affects their partner’s state of mind: where should one draw the line?

Despite societal norms in any period or place, there is always a balance to be struck in a relationship.

Some people likely to climb, or race or basejump. It comes with injury and a hugely raised chance of disability or death but yet, because of the enjoyment of the participants, the balance has been drawn between mental state and future physical state.

Going for any extreme comes with a significant risk, and it is up to the participants to make informed decisions on that risk vs the reward. So long as the decision is not affected by coercion or misinformation, then it is the participants choice to make.

If you basejump or skydive, you stand on the edge of the cliff, plane or building, look down to your dz and weight up the high of the fall vs the risk of failure; it is then your choice whether to jump.

In summary, if the feedee in an extreme WG relationship has assessed the lifestyle risks (reliance on others, morbidity, financial costs etc), has made their own choice and has the capability and support to stop if they so choose, they likely care less about the risks as the psychological reward is greater.

Done my 3

I mean, maybe this is being looked at the wrong way. To maintain the confidentiality, raise funds, and allow for it to all be done; there may be an argument to run it as an experiment with published results.

I know most labs at Cambridge and Imperial
College that use animals avoid publication of details of the phd students, the prof, the post docs etc. Med studies are anonymised etc.

Further to that, data related to human extremes likely has value in a number of areas so there may be a number of avenues for funding, if not from health funds like horizon 2020, then private pharma.

Just design the experiment so that all the feedees gain in to through current bariatric tolerances for G20 health care systems and include some form of trial related to general feedee choices on how they like to gain.


Define the variables, establish a control group, include extant data for a proof of concept and you have a feedee facility, funded, doing public good and protected from prying eyes by legislation.

Its odd, i met my wife at the gym when she was under weight. She was working out after self defence lessons. I never imagined her gaining but as we grew closer and as i had mostly been in relationships with larger women prior I guess I may have instinctively pushed and fantasised as she didn't drop the exercise but did indulge at the table. 8 years on and shes a lot bigger but still fit. Also helps that she still buys gym clothes and does yoga and zumba to help with her health.


Looking more specificall at the OPs post, and purely subjective and anecdotal: My parents owned a gym chain after my mother stopped her pro sports career and I'm used to the gym environment.

For a lot of PTs there was a strong sense that they were just doing a job they knew how to do and were trained to do.

Consider the following:

A tailor might prefer to dress people differently to the suits they make for clients, a hairdresser the same, but yet the clients come for something they want based on pictures on the wall etc and ask for a particular look.

Seeing people at the gym and imagining how they would look closer to your aesthetic preference seems normal. I know a great barber in london who hates most of the cuts that leave his chair, he makes sure they are well done but its not what he would advise.

I also know a good hairdresser who exclusively dates long, curl haired women but, due to current fashions, often gets clients asking for shorter cuts and complex colorings [totally against what he’s into]. I imagine he may fantasise about some clients, especially those who work fashion week, and imagine them in a very different aesthetic.

Keeping that private and out of the eyes of the media would be a lot of work . Setting up a true feederism community would take a lot of money but also talent



Why keep it on shore? Buy a small cruise ship. They have good med bays, ample crew quarters, have all the privacy, and allow for easy and silent procurement of large quantities of food and medical supplies.

Just need about 50M a year in running costs…….

Already been said but: too many variables.

To state the obvious, immobility is when your muscular strength is not sufficient to move your body. A 6’4 power lifter can easily walk around at over 650lbs, a sedentary higher body fat person at 5’2 would likely need a walker at the same weight.

To put a floor on it, there are very few people of normal height who are fully
Immobile below 550lbs. Most known patients who need intervention due to bariatric issues are over 650lbs. Cut out of home size is usually above 700lbs, but again, the margin of error is very wide.

Can certainly second this. My better half started getting sciatica when she really started to bloom. Her physio gave her a series of stretches that she does daily. They really passive and most can be done on the bed and over the edge of it. After nearly giving up and at nearly 3 weeks in, her pain really started to relieve significantly.

Another thing to consider, once you’re mobile again, is to work on your posture with a mix of weights, stretching and setting up your environment (clothes, chairs, bed, desk, dining table etc)

Yet again, if we reread: it is clear that he said a neighbours mother. Further to that where are you getting the concept of it Oedipal if there is no tone of paternal jealousy?

Freud is clear on this in his writing that it is an emotional link to a direct relation created in pre sexual development.

Are you implying that the neighbours mother is a stand in figure for his own mother. To do that you would need a more context than the narrative provided. The one thing I can see to indicate this would be the capitalisation of Mom, but I do note that my iPhone does this automatically strongly implying that it was not deliberate. It is one of the reasons why it is better to do hand written exercises.

Finally, is it possible that you, John, may be looking at this through a subjective lens, and it may be some kind of transference that made you jump to imply that there were Oedipal elements to the narrative?